Murena high fifth gear

[Oetker]

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[michaltalbot]

Oetker: wow, that's smart and cool! I like it very much

[Oetker]

I have 5
If you want one I can send one.
Wil cost you a beer on a meeting in the future.
PM me the adres.

[JV]

I have 5
If you want one I can send one.
Wil cost you a beer on a meeting in the future.
PM me the adres.

Herman,

Nice! I want one for my high-five Murena. Can you take it with you sunday, when we will meet in Reuver?

The other car has the gears also fitted with some spacers, and is on a test drive to Corsica.
Also this car has secondary noises from the gearbox.

Yes, indeed. My wife and I went to Corsica with the Murena for a holiday. I experienced the high-five as an improvement: it feels more natural by the larger difference with the fourth gear (just as we are used to nowadays) and the five has become a real gear now. However, the gearbox has some singing noise that was not there before. May be it will diminish in course of the time.

Jan

[Oetker]

Ok, Jan.
Will take one with me.
See you sunday

[JV]

The French forum says that the gearbox of the Murena stems from Citroen / Lancia.
Among the early Murena's you have two types of gearboxes: in one type the assembly of the fifth gear is similar to those in Citroen, in the other type the assembly of the fifth gear is similar to those in Lancia. And those two are not interchangeable.

This will be the explanation, I presume.

[Jon Weywadt]

First set is collected.
(photo)
This Citroen guy wil inform me for more kits if he can put his hand on it.
Second set wil be collected in the coming week.

I have tried to find out if it is actually necessary to replace the synchro parts as well. But if it is mentioned in any post, I have missed it.

I know to modify the shifter fork and bell casing to allow for the larger wheel, but since I don't see any modifications to the fork part, I am hoping it means that the original synchro slider ring and parts can be used. Is that true?

The reason I am looking at this again is that I have found a cross reference that say the Citroen 5. gear kit is the same as the one for a Fiat Scudo or Ducato, with either the 1.9 TD or 2.5 diesel engines. (around year 2000-2004) Those kits I have found for about €170-190.

If I don't want to wait I can actually go get one at my local Fiat dealer, though he wants a bit more money.

[Oetker]

On the newer type gearbox, the synchroring is the same, the rest I didn't fit to try out.

[Jon Weywadt]

On the newer type gearbox, the synchroring is the same, the rest I didn't fit to try out.

Well, I communicated with Roy bout this and though I am not 100% sure it will work, I decided to go for it. You see I found the Fiat kit, partnumber "9567493480", for £45 on eBay. 

There is one more kit on eBay (
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130350451266 ), but it sells for €170, and the one I can get from the Danish Fiat dealer is DKr. 1589 +25% VAT (appx. £225)

I found the cross reference here and they sell it for €190:
http://www.axel-augustin.de/shop/product_info.php/products_id/10722/cPath///zahnradkit-5-gang-46-x-31.html
As you can see the Citroen number 2344CO is compared to the Fiat number 9567493480

I will keep you posted on what I find, once the kit arrives. It may offer hope for those of you still thinking about "changng gears"  It will be a while though before I attempt the conversion, we have to get out of this feeezing cold weather, as I have no garage to work in.

[Oetker]

Good info Jon.
The Fiat number makes it more easy to find.
'The Ducato/J5 is sold in great numbers, and yes, they had lots of trouble with the 5th gears.

[JV]

Here is another one for 80€:
http://cgi.ebay.fr/1-KIT-PIGNONS-NEUF-FIAT-ULYSSE-SCUDO-DUCATO_W0QQitemZ360224161357QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20100108?IMSfp=TL100108225001r10636

[Oetker]

I bought this kit to find out if the noise from my gearbox that I have since replacing the gears, are coming from the bush and spacer.
If this is the solution, then I try to make the other kit complete.
I always can sell it if it doesn't lead to a solution.

[Jon Weywadt]

I bought this kit to find out if the noise from my gearbox that I have since replacing the gears, are coming from the bush and spacer.
If this is the solution, then I try to make the other kit complete.
I always can sell it if it doesn't lead to a solution.

Are you sure you made enough clearance in the shifter fork and the end case when you installed the new gear? The clearance may be ok when you move the gears by hand, but under load the gear may just touch. Perhaps you will see marks from that when you open it up again.

I am really curious to hear if the kit you bouoght will work. It sounds like you will get to try it before I do.

[Oetker]

When I installed the set there was space between the ground plate and the gears, but very minimal.
I have the feeling that the bush/bearing is a bit taller, and the spacer is needed to bring the gears in line.
I will try to measure things out exactly this time.
Don't want to do this job 3 times.

The car is in his winter hide out 10 miles from home.
Another project is keeping me busy, so I hope somewhere next month to do the job.

The other project.
pics are missing now
Then we go on with the real car.

[krede]

I once had the CRX version of that mark Civic.....only a 1.5 12valve, but the most fun car to drive I have ever owned... Murena included!