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Matraman
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2025, 04:53:18 pm »

Quote:"At first I mounted Spax on the 2.2.
It made things as height strenght adjustable.

Later I mounted them on the1.6 and also new springs from a 2.2.
At the front I mounted Koni shocks
That was realy progress concerning road handling.
I am very pleased with them."

Do you have any information on Spax part numbers for the rear shocks, or other better known makes of car which would use the same ones as a Murena? I think I may try some if they're more cost effective than the original replacements.
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2025, 06:01:18 pm »

I believe Spax rear is 24033 and they're adjustable

Koni is normal I believe and part number 24036

Koni is cheaper as well but please double check as I'm not 100% sure.
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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2025, 11:42:45 pm »

Sorry for my late response.
Spax raer =G695

At the front I experimented with different shocks.
Anything that is mounted at the front of Simca 1100 /Horizon/ Bagheers an d others wil do fine.
I noticed almost no difftences.
Mounted on my 1.6 =Koni made for Simca 1100.
On my ex 2.2 was Monroe for Bagheera.



I also have a new  pair of Gabriel for Horizon front reserve and I expect the to do the job
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Murena 2.2 Red 1982.(sold) Murena 1.6 1981 black on places. (for sale). Nissan Leaf 2017. Renault Twingo Quickshift 2006.
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« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2025, 12:44:00 pm »

Apologies, this is a suspension topic, but the list of service information items was interesting:

Item 56 in the 1981 section interests me. I get a lot of vibration noises from what sounds like the heater box, although mine is a 1983 car. The noises quieten down as the car and heater box warm up, but I would like to eliminate the noises if possible. They seem to come from inside the car, rather than the accessible part under the bonnet, where the heater fan is located. Can rattles be sorted out without removing the dashboard to access the heater box behind it?



When I started this topic, it was to inform others about the different rear coil springs, which was not in the workshop manual but came from an update bulletin, and I did ask how I could get hold of a copy of all those bulletins, as I was interested to see what they covered.

This information was duly given, thanks Alain, and that should have ended this particular posting topic.

However, it has been 'hijacked' and strayed into other areas that should have been in a new topic!


PLEASE, PLEASE, will posters not do this!  It is easy to start a new topic.  The problem with altering a topic is that it gets out of hand and someone reading the latest posting has no idea of the initial topic or reason for it. (I have amended the title to make it clearer)

It has strayed into things like heater box noises, and altering the suspension with different springs, shock absorbers, and ride heights which are entirely different subjects, and altering the suspension is one which I do not agree with.  As I've said before, who are any of us to think we know better than the experts at the factory who designed and developed the car originally?  I myself don't, although I have made one small change to a 55 profile front tyre, after testing extensively, and with improved results have used and recommended them for many years, and there is a good reason and an explanation behind this, as detailed in my Tyres technical article, which can be downloaded from my website; or in an FAQ answer on wheels and tyres.


There are comments here about using the standard front shock absorbers from a Talbot Horizon or other Talbot front engine, front wheel drive car on the Murena.  Yet the Murena has very little weight at the front to need such strong springs or shock absorbers, so they cannot be right.  I have driven a Murena with stiffer front shock absorbers that someone else had fitted, and it was certainly far worse than the original, which is exactly what I expected.  Even a passenger in that car who knew little about this, commented how the car was worse than my own which he had been a passenger in many times and therefore knew how a good Murena should really ride and handle.

Those shock absorbers were simply too stiff for the light front end of a Murena, and over bumps in the road, which we all suffer today with such poor road maintenance, means the tyres lose contact as the front bounces and therefore the grip is also worse whereas the softer front would mean the tyres would stay in contact with the road more.

You only have to consider the old ideas of making a 'sports car suspension' harder than the equivalent saloon car, supposedly to make it handle better.  Colin Chapman soon shot those ideas down with the Lotus Elite 14 and Elan which had softer suspension and out handled any car on the road at the time, and on a twisty road today can still see off most cars, especially when they only need 155 section tyres compared to the huge 225 section or more of many modern cars!


But to get back to my main point, PLEASE stop hijacking a topic and using it for other topics which should be in a new posting.  If what you want to say is not directly relevant to the wording in the original first posting, then start a new topic.

Thank you.

Roy

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« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2025, 11:43:29 pm »

Sorry that this topic got out of hand.
So my last thing of it defending my statement about the the Simca shocks.
Simon/Carjoy did sell them for Bagheera as wel as the Murena.
I was also sceptical about it for the same reasons as you.
So to proof it I bought a set from Carjoy for around 150 Euro (overpriced but I wanted to know).
The Monroe R3227 arrived and I looked them up in Tecdoc carbible.
They are for Simca 1100.
Carjoy didn't mention this.
In a pic above you see me with weights, clock time to go up and down, to compare them to the originals.
I was suprised that they measured not far of from thee originals.
In fact the originals after 40 years measured harder in my case.

I mounted them on 4 Murena's and we all agreed roadhandling was fine.
Carjoy sold a bunch of them, I never heard anything bad about it.
I am not here to criticise the experts, in fact I learned from your FAQ as wel  and I know you put a lot of effort in it.
I only ventilate my opinion and results of my experimental things with shocks.
This sets for Simca 1100 are still to find for a few euro's from several brands.
Of course the originals can be overhauled but pricewise this is not bad.

The Spax G695 are realy good. You can adjust force ( 28 clicks), and adjust the height.
I still daily drive my 1.6 with the Koni fronts for 1100 and Spax since 2013 and I like the setup.

Herman
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I feel like Jonah, only my fish looks different.
Murena 2.2 Red 1982.(sold) Murena 1.6 1981 black on places. (for sale). Nissan Leaf 2017. Renault Twingo Quickshift 2006.
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