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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2008, 05:37:13 pm »

If the rubber inside the vacumepot on the ignition is leaking, then false air will come from there in the carbs right away.

Of course.

I guess a bottle of carb-cleaner would be a TOO easy way to go then.....  Cheesy Grin

Carb-cleaner is perfect if you disassemble the carb and let the parts soak in it.

Unless the carb is badly worn e.g. in the spindle bearing or due to corrosion - which is unlikely considering the low mileage, fitting a new carb shouldn't be necessary.
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2008, 03:18:55 pm »

or in case you are lazy, put in a new carb Grin




I thought that the CIC carb on the 2.2 was long gone and no more to found anywhere....?
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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2008, 05:39:51 pm »

The Lancia Beta had the CIC 34 to.
Simon stil has them new and exchange but you pay deerly.
Sometimes you find them on auction.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LANCIA-BETA-1800-SOLEX-34-CIC-CARBURETOR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247QQcategoryZ33550QQihZ016QQitemZ260198783285QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

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There is a article on this item here

http://www.matraclub.org.uk/faq9.html
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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2008, 09:10:01 am »

Hmm. is it just me, or was this VERY cheap considering Pollitech's price on this item.....?


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LANCIA-BETA-1800-SOLEX-34-CIC-CARBURETOR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247QQcategoryZ33550QQihZ016QQitemZ260198783285QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

Pollitech:
Solex carburetor 34 CIC (Murena 2.2)                      HT € 384.10



149$ =  820 NOK

384€ = 3264 NOK
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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2008, 09:23:57 am »

Yes, its cheap, but don't forget it is a setup for a Lancia 1800 engine.
You stil have to work on the setup.
Read the article in the link I provided.

The guy I bought the Murena from did the carbchange and payed over €300

Is the carb on you're car that bad you want to change it?
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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2008, 09:32:35 am »

Hmm. is it just me, or was this VERY cheap considering Pollitech's price on this item.....?


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LANCIA-BETA-1800-SOLEX-34-CIC-CARBURETOR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247QQcategoryZ33550QQihZ016QQitemZ260198783285QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V
Pollitech:
Solex carburetor 34 CIC (Murena 2.2)                      HT € 384.10

149$ =  820 NOK

384€ = 3264 NOK

try to contact HBpiècesauto (hbpiecesauto@free.fr) www.hbpiecesauto.com
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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2008, 04:12:16 pm »

If you need a new original carburettor SOLEX 34 CIC for Murena 2.2, I have one for you.
Call me by e-mail : adewael@skynet.be
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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2008, 10:47:19 pm »

How much work is is setting it up for the Murena for the Lancia then? since jets and that stuff are the same.


Andre, how much is the price for it then...? And how come you have an new one since it have been out of production many years now?
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« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2008, 08:44:40 am »

How much work is is setting it up for the Murena for the Lancia then? since jets and that stuff are the same.

Jets and venturis are not necessarily the same, and I notice from the photo on the auction that the fuel inlets are also located differently. There is also a vacuum connection on the back of the carb, which the Murena 34CIC does not have. It will probably require some work and moving over of parts from the old carb in which case I don't think you will benefit at all.

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Andre, how much is the price for it then...? And how come you have an new one since it have been out of production many years now?

Probably old stock.
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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2008, 08:45:05 am »

If you need a new original carburettor SOLEX 34 CIC for Murena 2.2, I have one for you.
Call me by e-mail : adewael@skynet.be

André, welcome to the forum. Good to have you here Smiley
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« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2008, 10:23:26 am »

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Jets and venturis are not necessarily the same, and I notice from the photo on the auction that the fuel inlets are also located differently. There is also a vacuum connection on the back of the carb, which the Murena 34CIC does not have. It will probably require some work and moving over of parts from the old carb in which case I don't think you will benefit at all.

Oh, thought the jets and venturies were the same since it was a CIC, and that the letters indicated this....
Rather much work it seem than.....

Still don't know whats with the engine, must try to start somewhere checking it.
Anders, do you remember the temp.unit Bjørn Anders replaced with the one you supplied? The old one was still in a box in the car, so I took the old mulitmeter and checked the reistence in it, seem to work fine, and gave an different reading after putting it in hot water, so shouldnt it be working just fine.....?
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« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2008, 10:46:14 am »

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Its realy not that difficult.
If I were you I checked ignition, put in a new rotor cables and distributorcap.
4 new N7YC sparkplugs.
Adjust ignition.
Change the fuel clean the carb check for vacumeleaks and asjust the valves.
Standard procedure voor tuning the engine.
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« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2008, 05:28:30 pm »

Anders, do you remember the temp.unit Bjørn Anders replaced with the one you supplied? The old one was still in a box in the car, so I took the old mulitmeter and checked the reistence in it, seem to work fine, and gave an different reading after putting it in hot water, so shouldnt it be working just fine.....?

Could be, Bjørn Anders could not find out which one was faulty. It's either the sensor, the wiring or the instrument itself. The instrument is unlikely to be faulty (but it can't be ruled out, of course), so I think you should check the wiring carefully first using your multimeter, measuring from the instrument side back to the sensor. You can then compare measurements with those taken on the sensor itself  (with the connection disconnected of course).

The sensor is supposed to have the following approximate resistance values, but I haven't been able to confirm them by actual measurements:

50 deg C: 70 Ohm
80 deg C: 30 Ohm
110 deg C: 13 Ohm
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« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2008, 06:28:52 pm »

Hmm, strange... Measured the extra unit here now, in room tempca, 20C it gave a reading of about 50... and dropping rather evenly....
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« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2008, 12:48:37 am »

Hmm, strange... Measured the extra unit here now, in room tempca, 20C it gave a reading of about 50... and dropping rather evenly....

I'll see if I can get a measurement on mine during the weekend.
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