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TELBOY
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« Reply #271 on: April 10, 2020, 06:28:30 pm » |
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So after hrs of searching i think i have identified it as a Delphi LL2115. On the listing it interestingly lists applications as Horizon , Matra Rancho and Murena 1.6! Quite how you mount it in a standard Murena I dont know. I have ordered one so here's hoping. It should be correct as the horizon I discovered uses the same gearbox I have being a BE1 XU30 with a hydraulic clutch rather than cable or concentric slave cylinder and a bore 25.4mm. Fingers crossed.
Talbot Horizon -- [1978-1986] Hatchback 1.1 (1118ccm 58HP 43KW Petrol) Engine Code: 2E1A Talbot Horizon -- [1978-1986] Hatchback 1.3 (1294ccm 54HP 40KW Petrol) Engine Code: 2G1-BTC | Manufactured Before: 12/ 1985 Talbot Horizon -- [1978-1986] Hatchback 1.3 (1294ccm 58HP 43KW Petrol) Engine Code: 2G1-BTC Talbot Horizon -- [1978-1986] Hatchback 1.3 (1294ccm 64HP 47KW Petrol) Talbot Horizon -- [1978-1986] Hatchback 1.3 (1294ccm 68HP 50KW Petrol) Engine Code: 2G1 Talbot Horizon -- [1978-1986] Hatchback 1.4 (1424ccm 65HP 48KW Petrol) Engine Code: 2Y1B Talbot Horizon -- [1978-1986] Hatchback 1.4 (1424ccm 83HP 61KW Petrol) Engine Code: 2Y2,Y2 | Manufactured Before: 12/ 1985 Talbot Horizon -- [1978-1986] Hatchback 1.4 (1442ccm 69HP 51KW Petrol) Engine Code: 2Y1 | Manufactured Before: 12/ 1985 Talbot Murena -- [1980-1985] Coupe 1.6 (1577ccm 90HP 66KW Petrol) Engine Code: X5J2A | Manufactured Before: 12/ 1983 Talbot Rancho -- [1977-1984] SUV 1.4 (1442ccm 80HP 59KW Petrol) Engine Code: X3Y2 | Manufactured After: 1/ 1978 Talbot Simca 1100 -- [1968-1980] Estate 1.1 (1118ccm 50HP 37KW Petrol) Engine Code: E1/BTC | Manufactured Before: 12/ 1979 Talbot Simca 1100 -- [1968-1980] Estate 1.1 (1118ccm 60HP 44KW Petrol) Engine Code: 3E1A Talbot Simca 1100 -- [1968-1980] Hatchback 1.1 LE,LX,GLS,ES (1118ccm 50HP 37KW Petrol) Engine Code: 30 | Manufactured Before: 12/ 1979 Talbot Simca 1100 -- [1968-1980] Hatchback 1.1 LE,LX,GLS,ES (1118ccm 58HP 43KW Petrol) Engine Code: 3E1A | Manufactured Before: 12/ 1979 Talbot Simca 1100 -- [1968-1980] Hatchback 1.1 LS,GLS (1118ccm 54HP 40KW Petrol) Engine Code: E1/BTC | Manufactured After: 1/ 1976 Talbot Solara -- [1980-1986] Saloon 1.3 (1294ccm 54HP 40KW Petrol) Engine Code: 6G1D/VP Talbot Solara -- [1980-1986] Saloon 1.6 (1577ccm 88HP 65KW Petrol) Engine Code: 6J2,J1,J2 Talbot Solara -- [1980-1986] Saloon 1.6 (1592ccm 69HP 51KW Petrol) Engine Code: J1B Talbot Solara -- [1980-1986] Saloon 1.6 (1592ccm 73HP 54KW Petrol) Engine Code: 6J1 Talbot Solara -- [1980-1986] Saloon 1.6 (1592ccm 90HP 66KW Petrol) Engine Code: J1B
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roy4matra
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« Reply #272 on: April 14, 2020, 01:33:25 am » |
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So after hrs of searching i think i have identified it as a Delphi LL2115. On the listing it interestingly lists applications as Horizon , Matra Rancho and Murena 1.6! Quite how you mount it in a standard Murena I dont know...
The clutch slave cylinder on a Horizon, Bagheera, Murena 1.6, or any of the models using those 4-speed original gearboxes and the 5-speed version of them, is bolted near the top of the bell housing with two short bolts. This is quite different to a Murena 2.2 where its bell housing has a cast 'hole' near the bottom, and its clutch slave cylinder simply slides into that casting and is secured by a large circlip where it sticks out the other side of the casting. I have ordered one so here's hoping. It should be correct as the horizon I discovered uses the same gearbox I have being a BE1 XU30 with a hydraulic clutch rather than cable or concentric slave cylinder and a bore 25.4mm. Fingers crossed.
I don't know the bell housing for your BE1 XU30, but if it doesn't have the two shoulders and tapped holes for the original Murena slave cylinder, then you will have to use the one designed for it. However, from your photos, the slave cylinder looks correct, but the attachment of the pipe from the master cylinder is all wrong! You should have a plastic pipe with a metal supporting sleeve in the end, and that fits directly into the slave cylinder with a flare 12mm nut. Your photo shows a banjo and banjo bolt in the slave cylinder, with a section of rubber hose and four worm clips fitted, which suggests the original plastic pipe end has been changed. That is your real fault. Roy
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TELBOY
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« Reply #273 on: April 14, 2020, 10:46:22 am » |
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Morning Roy, As you may remember from last year I was convinced all my problems were the master cylinder which I replaced and eventually managed to bleed. The clutch all seemed good but was back on the floor again! after inspection it became clear why by the sorry state of the slave cylinder. I presumed that the 1.6 slave cylinder was also held on by a circlip, (again I should have checked) Not having an original engine is becoming a bit of a pain as I have now moved onto this area. I "believe" after spending literally hrs online That I have an XU92C 1.9l engine as it has a single twin choke carb, This engine is listed at (depending where you look) 104 - 108bhp! which makes me wonder if the effort was worth it. The 32/34 dtrc carb is listed from a 1.6 citreon BX, trying to find a choke assembly is shall we say difficult! The gearbox,XU30, is listed from a Citreon Berlingo 1.9l diesel and Horizon 1.9 Diesel! Obviously they must have been fitted elsewhere but as yet that's all I can find, but it is the gear ratios I am most concerned about, being diesels they rev very low!. The gearbox does indeed have the slave cylinder bolted to the bell housing and the plastic pipe was pushed into a rubber pipe fitted to the banjo and then secured by using the 4 jubilee clips to form a seal.
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MatraIan
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« Reply #282 on: April 21, 2020, 09:31:46 pm » |
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See this link for how it should be http://www.matrasport.dk/forum/index.php/topic,2918.msg22179.html#msg22179(This is how 2.2 is set up so assuming 1.6 was the same) if you are using a nylon tube the metal insert is improtant to stop the tube being squashed. Ian
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