Title: New engine
Post by: alvinisztika on March 06, 2013, 09:17:01 pm
Hi!
I want to renew my car. The original engine and transmission, Unfortunately, disappeared. I would like to inquire what engine should I use? I've read in many places about the 205 GTI, but it consumes a lot of. Approx. thought similarly strong engine, lower fuel consumption.
I want to renew my car. The original engine and transmission, Unfortunately, disappeared. I would like to inquire what engine should I use? I've read in many places about the 205 GTI, but it consumes a lot of. Approx. thought similarly strong engine, lower fuel consumption.
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: alvinisztika on March 06, 2013, 09:24:21 pm
i love that ass! :)
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: Jon Weywadt on March 06, 2013, 10:05:26 pm
Hi!
I want to renew my car. The original engine and transmission, Unfortunately, disappeared. I would like to inquire what engine should I use? I've read in many places about the 205 GTI, but it consumes a lot of. Approx. thought similarly strong engine, lower fuel consumption.
First, welcome to the forum. Your car looks great. I want to renew my car. The original engine and transmission, Unfortunately, disappeared. I would like to inquire what engine should I use? I've read in many places about the 205 GTI, but it consumes a lot of. Approx. thought similarly strong engine, lower fuel consumption.
You will find much useful information here.
So how did your original engine and transmission disappear?
Besides the 205 gti some have installed a Honda V6. One electric conversion has been made as far as I know.
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: northmurena on March 06, 2013, 10:17:36 pm
Hi and welcome.
Why not take an original 2.2 engine ? Would be the easiest way. All parts fill fit, no modificatios needed....
Hilsen
Kai
Why not take an original 2.2 engine ? Would be the easiest way. All parts fill fit, no modificatios needed....
Hilsen
Kai
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: alvinisztika on March 06, 2013, 10:29:19 pm
Thank you!
The camshaft is broken. The mechanic that the engine was incorrigible, and for "working fees" stole the engine and transmission.
I live in Hungary, and the people are not familiar with this car. It is almost impossible to obtain a separate engine, only abroad. Bring home is expensive.
The camshaft is broken. The mechanic that the engine was incorrigible, and for "working fees" stole the engine and transmission.
I live in Hungary, and the people are not familiar with this car. It is almost impossible to obtain a separate engine, only abroad. Bring home is expensive.
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: klumzer on March 07, 2013, 09:57:10 am
Welcome to the forum! If you want to restore your car and have questions, this is the best place! :)
Now we could start a native topic... :) ...or a Matra meeting in Hungary... :D
Üdv a fórumon! Ha valamiben tudok segíteni, akkor írj. Az elmúlt két évben a felújítás alatt összeeírtam pár helyettesítő alkatrészt szívesen megosztom a cikkszámokat. Sajnos nagy része a motorhoz való, így lehet nem tudod használni őket, de a fékfelújító készletekét, betétekét, tárcsákét megírom, ha kellenek. Körülnézek a bazárjaim között, ha van valamim felesleges, akkor azt szívesen eladom.
Back to the English. Sorry for writing in Hungarian, but I am very happy to find a new Hungarian member on the forum.
If you want to install a powerful engine it will consume a lot. And do not forget the strict regulations. If you want to have MOT after engine exchange in Hungary you may pay a lot of money, registration tax, etc. If they find your engine too powerful they can require a new brake system, noise level or sound examination and so...First of all ask the authority (NKH) before you do anything.
It is not easy to find a 2.2 or a 1.6 engine in Hungary, but those would be the easiest and cheapest solution...
If you want to save money on petrol cost think over LPG.
I almost forget to ask where you live in Hungary?
Now we could start a native topic... :) ...or a Matra meeting in Hungary... :D
Üdv a fórumon! Ha valamiben tudok segíteni, akkor írj. Az elmúlt két évben a felújítás alatt összeeírtam pár helyettesítő alkatrészt szívesen megosztom a cikkszámokat. Sajnos nagy része a motorhoz való, így lehet nem tudod használni őket, de a fékfelújító készletekét, betétekét, tárcsákét megírom, ha kellenek. Körülnézek a bazárjaim között, ha van valamim felesleges, akkor azt szívesen eladom.
Back to the English. Sorry for writing in Hungarian, but I am very happy to find a new Hungarian member on the forum.
If you want to install a powerful engine it will consume a lot. And do not forget the strict regulations. If you want to have MOT after engine exchange in Hungary you may pay a lot of money, registration tax, etc. If they find your engine too powerful they can require a new brake system, noise level or sound examination and so...First of all ask the authority (NKH) before you do anything.
It is not easy to find a 2.2 or a 1.6 engine in Hungary, but those would be the easiest and cheapest solution...
If you want to save money on petrol cost think over LPG.
I almost forget to ask where you live in Hungary?
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: alvinisztika on March 07, 2013, 10:10:31 am
I have not looked at the car, that what i have to renew / replace. First, I want to solve the engine problem. But I do not know how I could get a new engine. And what kind of engine? Consumes much of the original, but it would be much easier to fit.
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: Jon Weywadt on March 07, 2013, 10:12:28 am
Thank you!
The camshaft is broken. The mechanic that the engine was incorrigible, and for "working fees" stole the engine and transmission.
I live in Hungary, and the people are not familiar with this car. It is almost impossible to obtain a separate engine, only abroad. Bring home is expensive.
The camshaft is broken. The mechanic that the engine was incorrigible, and for "working fees" stole the engine and transmission.
I live in Hungary, and the people are not familiar with this car. It is almost impossible to obtain a separate engine, only abroad. Bring home is expensive.
A broken camshaft can be replaced for a few hundred €. So that would not make the engine "incorrigible". He simply wanted your engine for himself and really stole it. His "working fee" could not be 2000€, or what an engine is worth. >:( >:(
How much did he want in "working fee"? You would have been better off playing him and finding a HONEST mechanic.
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: alvinisztika on March 07, 2013, 10:38:42 am
Thank you!
The camshaft is broken. The mechanic that the engine was incorrigible, and for "working fees" stole the engine and transmission.
I live in Hungary, and the people are not familiar with this car. It is almost impossible to obtain a separate engine, only abroad. Bring home is expensive.
The camshaft is broken. The mechanic that the engine was incorrigible, and for "working fees" stole the engine and transmission.
I live in Hungary, and the people are not familiar with this car. It is almost impossible to obtain a separate engine, only abroad. Bring home is expensive.
A broken camshaft can be replaced for a few hundred €. So that would not make the engine "incorrigible". He simply wanted your engine for himself and really stole it. His "working fee" could not be 2000€, or what an engine is worth. >:( >:(
How much did he want in "working fee"? You would have been better off playing him and finding a HONEST mechanic.
He just sold the engine and transmission to the ironmongery for "working fee"...
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: klumzer on March 07, 2013, 10:40:01 am
Yes, this is how things go in Hungary...
You should ask the place where he sold the engine and the gearbox... Maybe you could buy it back for a little money.
Not cheap and you should have some place to store it, but can buy a spare car:
http://www.hasznaltauto.hu/auto/talbot/matra_murena/talbot_matra_murena_murena-6525067
It has engine failure, but it is worth a phonecall. I think you could lower the price and you would have some spares.
And an important advice: If you want to buy an alternative part, which is borrowed from another car (e.g. Peugeot or Citroen) never mention that you want it to a Matra. You need it for an old Talbot. Sellers can get bloodthirsty if they hear Matra...
You should ask the place where he sold the engine and the gearbox... Maybe you could buy it back for a little money.
Not cheap and you should have some place to store it, but can buy a spare car:
http://www.hasznaltauto.hu/auto/talbot/matra_murena/talbot_matra_murena_murena-6525067
It has engine failure, but it is worth a phonecall. I think you could lower the price and you would have some spares.
And an important advice: If you want to buy an alternative part, which is borrowed from another car (e.g. Peugeot or Citroen) never mention that you want it to a Matra. You need it for an old Talbot. Sellers can get bloodthirsty if they hear Matra...
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: northmurena on March 07, 2013, 10:43:55 am
..so the "old stuff" is definately gone...
I don´t know your budget but for a new (maybe used) engine and transmission i would calculate something around 3000 Euro. Finding it would need two or three calls to Germany. Shippers in Germany are cheap. I think it should cost something around 300 Euro for sending it to Hungary.
But what´s about the other parts like carb, waterpump etc.... Are they also gone to the scrapyard ? Perhaps it could be also a solution to look after a donor-car (?) When i look on your car, you will need some more parts than only an engine.
And the consume: my little black lady needs something around 9 to 10 liter.I don´t think that is too much for an 30 years old car. A "more modern" engine ( Peugeot, Honda) won´t consume less. But the installing of a conversion will make much more work and -i´m sure - will be more expansive.
I don´t know your budget but for a new (maybe used) engine and transmission i would calculate something around 3000 Euro. Finding it would need two or three calls to Germany. Shippers in Germany are cheap. I think it should cost something around 300 Euro for sending it to Hungary.
But what´s about the other parts like carb, waterpump etc.... Are they also gone to the scrapyard ? Perhaps it could be also a solution to look after a donor-car (?) When i look on your car, you will need some more parts than only an engine.
And the consume: my little black lady needs something around 9 to 10 liter.I don´t think that is too much for an 30 years old car. A "more modern" engine ( Peugeot, Honda) won´t consume less. But the installing of a conversion will make much more work and -i´m sure - will be more expansive.
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: klumzer on March 07, 2013, 10:49:42 am
According to the sales brochure a 2.2 should need 6.9 at constant 90km/h... :D
Has anyone measured similar like this?
Has anyone measured similar like this?
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: alvinisztika on March 07, 2013, 10:51:32 am
Yes, this is how things go in Hungary...
You should ask the place where he sold the engine and the gearbox... Maybe you could buy it back for a little money.
Not cheap and you should have some place to store it, but can buy a spare car:
http://www.hasznaltauto.hu/auto/talbot/matra_murena/talbot_matra_murena_murena-6525067
It has engine failure, but it is worth a phonecall. I think you could lower the price and you would have some spares.
And an important advice: If you want to buy an alternative part, which is borrowed from another car (e.g. Peugeot or Citroen) never mention that you want it to a Matra. You need it for an old Talbot. Sellers can get bloodthirsty if they hear Matra...
You should ask the place where he sold the engine and the gearbox... Maybe you could buy it back for a little money.
Not cheap and you should have some place to store it, but can buy a spare car:
http://www.hasznaltauto.hu/auto/talbot/matra_murena/talbot_matra_murena_murena-6525067
It has engine failure, but it is worth a phonecall. I think you could lower the price and you would have some spares.
And an important advice: If you want to buy an alternative part, which is borrowed from another car (e.g. Peugeot or Citroen) never mention that you want it to a Matra. You need it for an old Talbot. Sellers can get bloodthirsty if they hear Matra...
Approx. it happened 12 years ago. The dealer was certainly do not remember it.
Today I call this Matra owner of what is wrong with the engine.
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: alvinisztika on March 07, 2013, 10:58:51 am
..so the "old stuff" is definately gone...
I don´t know your budget but for a new (maybe used) engine and transmission i would calculate something around 3000 Euro. Finding it would need two or three calls to Germany. Shippers in Germany are cheap. I think it should cost something around 300 Euro for sending it to Hungary.
But what´s about the other parts like carb, waterpump etc.... Are they also gone to the scrapyard ? Perhaps it could be also a solution to look after a donor-car (?) When i look on your car, you will need some more parts than only an engine.
And the consume: my little black lady needs something around 9 to 10 liter.I don´t think that is too much for an 30 years old car. A "more modern" engine ( Peugeot, Honda) won´t consume less. But the installing of a conversion will make much more work and -i´m sure - will be more expansive.
I don´t know your budget but for a new (maybe used) engine and transmission i would calculate something around 3000 Euro. Finding it would need two or three calls to Germany. Shippers in Germany are cheap. I think it should cost something around 300 Euro for sending it to Hungary.
But what´s about the other parts like carb, waterpump etc.... Are they also gone to the scrapyard ? Perhaps it could be also a solution to look after a donor-car (?) When i look on your car, you will need some more parts than only an engine.
And the consume: my little black lady needs something around 9 to 10 liter.I don´t think that is too much for an 30 years old car. A "more modern" engine ( Peugeot, Honda) won´t consume less. But the installing of a conversion will make much more work and -i´m sure - will be more expansive.
Unfortunately, all of the engine parts are missing
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: klumzer on March 07, 2013, 11:00:42 am
Oh, I see.
I can give you a contact for a guy who stored a Murena for years. He wanted to sell it in very bad shape, but it had a 2.2S engine. Perhaps he still has it, but I think it was sold a year ago.
He has an M530 and a Rancho.
I can give you a contact for a guy who stored a Murena for years. He wanted to sell it in very bad shape, but it had a 2.2S engine. Perhaps he still has it, but I think it was sold a year ago.
He has an M530 and a Rancho.
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: northmurena on March 07, 2013, 11:02:13 am
..while i was writing "Klumzer" has already posted ;-) Calling the seller of the red Murena could be a good solution. You would have some more spare-parts and when you are able to overhaul the mechanic it could be a good deal.
@ klumzer: i never meassured the consume of my lady by a constant drive. But in the average it is around 9 -10 liters by driving in a way where it makes fun :-) :-)
I think that´s not bad for a two double-carburettor-engine with some modifications and the wide body ;-)
@ klumzer: i never meassured the consume of my lady by a constant drive. But in the average it is around 9 -10 liters by driving in a way where it makes fun :-) :-)
I think that´s not bad for a two double-carburettor-engine with some modifications and the wide body ;-)
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: klumzer on March 07, 2013, 11:03:15 am
Unfortunately, all of the engine parts are missing
Bad news... Having a spare car is the cheapest solution, I think...
Where do you live in Hungary?
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: alvinisztika on March 07, 2013, 11:06:00 am
Oh, I see.
I can give you a contact for a guy who stored a Murena for years. He wanted to sell it in very bad shape, but it had a 2.2S engine. Perhaps he still has it, but I think it was sold a year ago.
He has an M530 and a Rancho.
I can give you a contact for a guy who stored a Murena for years. He wanted to sell it in very bad shape, but it had a 2.2S engine. Perhaps he still has it, but I think it was sold a year ago.
He has an M530 and a Rancho.
If you can give him contact information, i can talk to him.
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: alvinisztika on March 07, 2013, 11:07:46 am
Unfortunately, all of the engine parts are missing
Bad news... Having a spare car is the cheapest solution, I think...
Where do you live in Hungary?
Komárom
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: klumzer on March 07, 2013, 11:08:18 am
..while i was writing "Klumzer" has already posted ;-) Calling the seller of the red Murena could be a good solution. You would have some more spare-parts and when you are able to overhaul the mechanic it could be a good deal.
@ klumzer: i never meassured the consume of my lady by a constant drive. But in the average it is around 9 -10 liters by driving in a way where it makes fun :-) :-)
I think that´s not bad for a two double-carburettor-engine with some modifications and the wide body ;-)
@ klumzer: i never meassured the consume of my lady by a constant drive. But in the average it is around 9 -10 liters by driving in a way where it makes fun :-) :-)
I think that´s not bad for a two double-carburettor-engine with some modifications and the wide body ;-)
Very hot topic... :)
Yes, it is quite good. My carb is still not perfect and I could not drive my car on the road because the lack of reg.plate so I could not measure or estimate my consumption. But some normal warm-ups needs some liters....
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: klumzer on March 07, 2013, 11:25:22 am
If you can give him contact information, i can talk to him.
OK. PM sent.
Good luck!
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: alvinisztika on March 07, 2013, 12:19:48 pm
If you can give him contact information, i can talk to him.
OK. PM sent.
Good luck!
Thank you!
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: Oetker on March 07, 2013, 09:45:18 pm
Why don't you give Laszlo from Car-joy a call.
He originate from Hungary to.
Maybe something can be aranged
www.Carjoy.nl
He sells also conversion kits with engine (Peugeot) as far as I know.
The first set running.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lur3NqDtzBk
Regards Herman
He originate from Hungary to.
Maybe something can be aranged
www.Carjoy.nl
He sells also conversion kits with engine (Peugeot) as far as I know.
The first set running.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lur3NqDtzBk
Regards Herman
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: klumzer on March 07, 2013, 10:04:13 pm
Peugeot Mi16 engine~200€, engine+gearbox~300€. Cheaper than an original 2.2 and easier to find here.
But a lot of paperwork at the authorities to put through the car on the MOT...
Edit:
I almost forgot to attach the link:
http://racing-bazar.hu/alkatresz/bontott/peugeot_405_mi16
But a lot of paperwork at the authorities to put through the car on the MOT...
Edit:
I almost forgot to attach the link:
http://racing-bazar.hu/alkatresz/bontott/peugeot_405_mi16
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: Matra_Hans on March 08, 2013, 08:02:01 pm
Welcome to the forum alvinisztika!
I do not think that anyone has mentioned that the rear suspension and engine mounting points are different on 1.6 and 2.2 versions. This is of cause important when you are searching for an engine.
Hans
I do not think that anyone has mentioned that the rear suspension and engine mounting points are different on 1.6 and 2.2 versions. This is of cause important when you are searching for an engine.
Hans
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: Oetker on March 09, 2013, 06:33:35 am
The 2.2 makes it more easy.
There is a little more space to put a foreign engine in.
The yellow 1.6 in the youtube movie has a 2.2 rear drivetrain as far as I know, but Laszlo can tell you more about it.
I measured the consumation several times of my 2.2
I f I drive it relaxed I can get 10 km a litre.
Rucksichtloos driving however can get it to 6-7 km a liter.
My 1.6 is much more economic around 10-11 km a liter normal use.
There is a little more space to put a foreign engine in.
The yellow 1.6 in the youtube movie has a 2.2 rear drivetrain as far as I know, but Laszlo can tell you more about it.
I measured the consumation several times of my 2.2
I f I drive it relaxed I can get 10 km a litre.
Rucksichtloos driving however can get it to 6-7 km a liter.
My 1.6 is much more economic around 10-11 km a liter normal use.
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: alvinisztika on March 18, 2013, 12:52:18 pm
Lot of thanks!
At the end of the week I see a 2.2 from Murena. I hope that he is in good condition, because then I'll buy it. And let the fun begin :)
At the end of the week I see a 2.2 from Murena. I hope that he is in good condition, because then I'll buy it. And let the fun begin :)
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: Oetker on March 18, 2013, 01:19:50 pm
Lot of thanks!
At the end of the week I see a 2.2 from Murena. I hope that he is in good condition, because then I'll buy it. And let the fun begin :)
At the end of the week I see a 2.2 from Murena. I hope that he is in good condition, because then I'll buy it. And let the fun begin :)
Nice to hear.
Good luck and keep us posted.
Herman
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: alvinisztika on March 25, 2013, 12:14:14 pm
Failed to call the guy. So I could not see the car. I hope this week I can see. I look forward.
Title: Re: New engine
Post by: klumzer on March 25, 2013, 06:23:47 pm
Do not give up! ;)
Good luck!
Good luck!
