testacorsa
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« on: November 22, 2006, 12:31:54 am » |
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Hello everyone. I am brand new to this forum, but have been a matra/simca/talbot fan for quite a few years. Very happy to see such a nice page inkluding an active forum for such a rare car in such a small country I just read that Jesper bourght Jos´ Murena V6, which to my knowledge was one of the first to be converted. I could see that It was some time ago, and nothing has been posted about it since. I am very courious to hear how it´s going on with the Danish authoraties - can´t be easy - or cheap I guess this is mostly a question for Jesper, but anyone who knows about any news, please reply to this post. Well... That was my first of hopefully many posts in here. James bond: "That´s a sweet little nothing you´re almost wearing"
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2006, 02:47:20 pm » |
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if a car is registered in another EU country, then it should be accepted in Denmark as-is.
Yes, and that is SUCH an improvement from the old days, where you simply couldn't build a kit-car. The only ones really possible were converted VW Beetles, under the Buggy regulation. And frankly, how many really want to drive a "Lamborghini Countach" with a VW1300 engine in the boot ? (well, apparently one - there is a white one here in my town!) This is now the limit of my car, despite the fact that it is outside the limits.
- hey Mr "Anders Limitless" - To art there must be no limit. :-) I wonder how much noise the V6 makes, since there is only room for one silencer of sorts. /Lennart
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2006, 04:40:42 pm » |
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Hmmm I wonder what kind of car i would end up with....
heh - I gather most of us feel that way :-) Actually, that would be a valid reply to my new challenge: http://www.matrasport.dk/forum/index.php?topic=316.0Building a "new" Murena from scratch. I don't have the tools/skills/guts, so that option is not for me. Some actually do this. I was once contacted by a guy in Holland who had all the parts needed... some 6000 parts (!). That was a few years ago, so either he is still assembling, or he has put the project on hold. I know that Roy Gillard (MECUK "president") has a similar plan, - he has a new chassis, and wants to build a new Murena from an old one - remaking all the dodgy parts into GOOD parts. And to install aircon, and ... and... THAT is going to be a stunning car. /Lennart
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2006, 04:55:02 pm » |
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This is now the limit of my car, despite the fact that it is outside the limits.
- hey Mr "Anders Limitless" - To art there must be no limit. :-) Absolutely right! But unfortunately bureaucrats aren't artists. Hey, you can have the dream, do the sketches, write the specification, design various details etc - all only limited by the paper and your imagination! It's excellent fun and probably just as time consuming as having an actual kit car to build! - Anders
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testacorsa
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2006, 11:18:59 pm » |
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Interesting what this thread turned into!!! Thanks for your replies everyone, and especially Anders Dinsen that said: "The new rules on registrations say that if a car is registered in another EU country, then it should be accepted in Denmark as-is." - I did not know that, but this openes so many new doors - thanks!! The really great thing about a rare car like the murena I think, is that it is unique. By that i mean that there is only one murena, and not a a range of models over the years like for instance a toyota corolla. As soon as the new one comes along, the old model looks outdated. When this is combined with brands like Talbot and Matra - marques from the old days that don´t exist anymore (yes i know - the Renault/Matras, but they are sold as renaults), which makes it even more exotic. To top it all, a design that is so ground breaking in it´s own time, that it will never be "old". A design that could only come out of a small company, because It is left so much closer to the actual prototype, and not faded and filtered out by "too many chefs". Did you ever reed a magazine and seeing the new peugeot 206 prototype for instance and think - WOW finally someone dares - but then you see it in the shop a year later and what a diapointment.... Furthermore Matra has racing pedigree, and it was the daring underdog, that fighted and begged the big boss for permission to place a V12, or at least a V6 in the murena - and that makes us like the them very much.... Thank god for unique cars!!!!
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2007, 02:39:43 pm » |
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Dear all, I feel the need to reply to this post, because someone put my name in the header Regarding the v6, there's the bad and the good news. Today, I was on my bicycle cycling along in the rain, to meet up with a wonderful mechanic, specialized in alfa Romeo etc. The bad news was, that for some unknown reason, the beautiful v6 engine had melted two pistons, and cuased major havok to the rest of the engine-block. SO... Jos' engine is "no more". Sad to say, especially, because I took good care of treating that engine nicely. I still had not got it on danish license-plates, so there was absolutely no reason for stressing the engine inbetween the minor restorations that I have done on the car (especially electrical problems.. common), before it was set to be tested and approved. Well, the good news is, that it seams that my mechanic can get hold of another v6, that then needs to be checked thoroughly before being put back into the car. Remember it is not cheap to get that engine out and back in again. And since I'm not a millionaire, I need to find the right balance in this project. Sadly, we will soon hit summer-vacation times, so it might take a month or 1,5 before the Matra-Murena-Jos-edition will hit the road for real. But me and my pregnant wife both hope to get it done, before next matra meeting. We are looking forward to meeting you all, and arrive in cool style. I'll let you all know how things are progressing. Best Jesper (soon to be yet another master of patience aka. sportscar enthusiast)
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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2007, 11:32:51 am » |
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...that it in fact IS possible to get a v6 Murena on Danish license plates!!...
Dear Krede, Thank you for your interest in this matter. It has been my intention from the beginning, to try getting this car on danish license plates with the v6-engine. Otherwise I would not have bought it in the first place. So I have been aware of this risc from the beginning. It also means, if I cannot get the car registered in DK, I will have to sell it again. I have been in contact with the authorities, and from what we have uncovered until now, regarding rules and regulations, it seems 85% possible to make this car register with the v6 in DK. But it is not just something that you just do. We have matched the different approvals from the netherland papers with the new Danish regulations (DK now follows a new EU-standardized documentation form, released in the fall, as you mentioned), and found that the car needs to be tested for top speed, and brake-fading issues. All other aspects should still be covered by the papers from NL. So the reason why I say 85% chance and not 100%, is that you never know what can come up in the next step of the process, but I reckon that there is a fair chance of getting the car registered. But as I said before, I am doing a bit of a gamble. But who would not want to hear a Murena with a v6 roaring in the streets of Denmark?? (well, I guess people, not into sportscars.. but you can never satisfy everyone can you? ) Best regards, Jesper
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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2007, 03:50:20 pm » |
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Cheers Jesper.. And thank you for the update... I am sure I am not the only one with an interest in how your "project" comes along. Though I am (obviously) turning green from envy by the thought your v6 on Danish license plates , this is not the reason I keep yelling about the Danish regulations every chance I get... It is simply that I know a lot of guys that has been "caught" by the new legislations and now have project cars that they have spent loads of time and money on, that they have to abandon since they will never be able to drive them legally on the roads... BUT! it sounds like you have the rules covered so THUMBS UP from here!! and.. will you please put me on the top of the list, of people you are gonna have to take for a drive as soon as it gets done??!! (HA!! Anders!! beat you too it! ) A more selfish reason why i really, really DO! want you to succeed in getting your car on the road, is, that if (or.. lets just assume the best and say WHEN ) you get the paperwork sorted, all of us, who wants to up the power of our murenas, will have a much easier time getting OUR cars approved afterwards... we can simply copy your brake setup and other specifications , and we are good to go!!.. Finally... it will, of cause , be nice to know, that, IF!! one day one had the money... it would be possible to make that v6 conversion myself... I'm not a big fan of Italian "engeneering" (apart from the Italian girls ).. ... ... ... But look how pretty
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