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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2014, 02:14:52 pm » |
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Thanx but I prefer to get a brand new one Auxiliary drive belt failure is very likely to damage also the timeingbelt on the F4R engine. I also guess the Audi pulley (as linked to in that forum) looks to be even more secure with deeper grooves and sidewalls http://www.mister-auto.de/de/umlenk-fuhrungsrolle-keilrippenriemen/ina-532-0160-10_g312_a204532!0160!10.html?utm_source=daparto&utm_medium=comparator&utm_campaign=premium_daparto&kbanr=0588729 Do anyone have any picture of an grooved deflection pulley on a F4R engine?
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2014, 03:54:06 pm » |
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Maybe the on on ebay you are referring to, are fitted as standard on newer F4R engines. The one on mine and on photos i have seen in several forum-posts sure have been smooth. # different independent garages have tried to find the cause of failure with no luck. They all said all rollers/pulleys and drive-wheels are running smooth and aligned straight. The decoupler on the dynamo also felt ok and free in reverse direction.
The problem we have been fighting against for almost 1year is that the garage that have mounted the belts that have been thrown of into the timing-belt refuse to take full responsibility. And they refuse to cover more then 50% of the costs that no one know what it will end at before the engine can be opened up. WHICH no one dare to do before its decided (by court it seems) who have the responsibility for the failure.... Its beyond my understanding how someon could be just 50% responsible for a reparation that breaks again after just 10months. (Or me or someone else being 50% responsible for the failure)
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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2014, 06:00:38 pm » |
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To defend the garage you need to know the whole story. The garage have mounted the belt(s) 3 times on this car. One of the main reasons I bought this car was the fact that the belts were renewed just 10months earlier. And that last receipt from the garage had the information written on it that the car had been in because of the belt had come of and that they took the job to find out the cause and renew the belt. It said nothing about the fact that the could not find any cause of failure. Or that they could not guarantee any expected lifetime of the belt (normally 5years) It did not say anything about any suggested after-control (which they afterwards have stated the would have done around 6months after, if the car had not gone to another garage for oil change) The F4R have multiple possibility to put the belt on wrong way around the pulleys -> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=no&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.espace-freunde.net%2Fforum%2Findex.php%2Fm%2F312522%2F%3Fsrch%3DRillen&sandbox=1Unfortunately that is impossible to prove afterwards. But still its a very likely cause of failure in this case. The garage have claimed they are aware about the possibility of mounting the belt on the wrong grooves on the 6-groove pulleys. But they have not mentioned anything about the possibility's of faulty routing.. Suspicious.. Anyway - My opinion is that a garage have full responsibility for a job they have done as long as they have not stated that they can not guarantee an expected lifetime of the parts they have fitted. And because of that its not my job to prove any cause of failure. Am I wrong about this??
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2014, 11:51:25 am » |
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I only know about the last repair and the information about it on the receipt. As mentioned one of the things that made me chose this car was that it got 10months old/fresh belts. And that the receipt said they had taken on the job to find the cause. And when there was no further information about it i assumed they had managed to find the cause and solved the problem. I have learned from this thread http://www.espace-freunde.net/forum/index.php/m/312522/?srch=Rillen that there is 2 possible ways to rout the belt around. Are you sure your belt are going the right way around. Iwould guess it can be easy to think the belt should go against flat upside against the flat deflection pulley What about the extended warranty? Why would I need that when the belt only lasted 10months. Here in Norway 2yers is the norm for claims against repairs that dont hold up as expexted.
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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2014, 12:44:43 pm » |
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Update... We are now waiting for a professional damage surveyor to evaluate traces of polishing that can only be from the Auxiliary belt being mounted the wrong way around / under the Water Pump. Possibly combined with wrong routing between tensioner and Alternator. Hard lesson learned! -> Routing of Auxiliarybelt should ALWAYS be controled after belt being changed , or if looking at a car to buy... Further on the issue here: http://www.espace-freunde.net/forum/index.php/m/332368/#msg_332368http://www.espace-freunde.net/forum/index.php/m/332368/#msg_332368I will appreciate info on other engines that also have suffered from this depressing mistake.
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