Title: My project!
Post by: Jacobosterlindh on April 14, 2008, 10:32:42 pm
Have'nt been here for a while, but i can post a little of what iv'e been doing.
I have bought me an xu10j4 that i think i'm going to use (turbo) around 350-400hp.
And my car isn't realy a car any longer. But soon it turns, to build it up again.
This is when i drove it, much to check after 15 years in warm-garage. Then my black (raceobject) rear.
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/P8110005.jpg)
Starting to disassemble:
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/HPIM1698.jpg)
The interior...
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_0884.jpg)
Plastic:
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_0890.jpg)
Hmm, space?
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_0912.jpg)
Starting to get away with rust and glue, paint...
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_1537.jpg)
Not as much rust that i thougt, as i read about... Only, floor (picture) and door-mount, around the brakepedal.
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_2672.jpg)
The chassis will be coilovers around, the torrision system will be removed totally!
New brakes, proberly porsche. And so on.
I will also modify the back, (u8), and a littlebit on the sides. But mostly original.
The finnishing time is planned to this time next year. My budget is smaaaall.. thats why. ::)
Hope that we have more fun projects out there.
I have bought me an xu10j4 that i think i'm going to use (turbo) around 350-400hp.
And my car isn't realy a car any longer. But soon it turns, to build it up again.
This is when i drove it, much to check after 15 years in warm-garage. Then my black (raceobject) rear.
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/P8110005.jpg)
Starting to disassemble:
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/HPIM1698.jpg)
The interior...
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_0884.jpg)
Plastic:
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_0890.jpg)
Hmm, space?
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_0912.jpg)
Starting to get away with rust and glue, paint...
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_1537.jpg)
Not as much rust that i thougt, as i read about... Only, floor (picture) and door-mount, around the brakepedal.
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_2672.jpg)
The chassis will be coilovers around, the torrision system will be removed totally!
New brakes, proberly porsche. And so on.
I will also modify the back, (u8), and a littlebit on the sides. But mostly original.
The finnishing time is planned to this time next year. My budget is smaaaall.. thats why. ::)
Hope that we have more fun projects out there.
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: macaroni on April 15, 2008, 08:54:14 am
Great project and great engine to use.
Just don't let Michal see this...
Just don't let Michal see this...
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Spyros on April 15, 2008, 09:00:03 pm
Really good state, your chassis. ;)
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Jacobosterlindh on April 16, 2008, 12:39:42 am
I'm still a little unsure about the drivetrain/engine. I'm thinking about going green (E95-fuel).
Eventually i'm going for the Alfa V6 but... it's a disscussion with a consultant about that just now.
So, the choice is between gasoline turbo xu10j4 and the alfa V6 + etanol (e95)
He-he. Yes, i think the car is walk-throughn around the end of the 80's but indeed, you can see an repair of the girder of the driversside (white on picture). it's in MUCH more better shape than my black one. That is an scrapheap, but i'm thinking about to fix that one for the race-track.
Eventually i'm going for the Alfa V6 but... it's a disscussion with a consultant about that just now.
So, the choice is between gasoline turbo xu10j4 and the alfa V6 + etanol (e95)
He-he. Yes, i think the car is walk-throughn around the end of the 80's but indeed, you can see an repair of the girder of the driversside (white on picture). it's in MUCH more better shape than my black one. That is an scrapheap, but i'm thinking about to fix that one for the race-track.
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Anders Dinsen on April 16, 2008, 12:44:44 pm
Great photos, interesting project!
I'd personally love to see more old Matras on the tracks :)
That is an scrapheap, but i'm thinking about to fix that one for the race-track.
I'd personally love to see more old Matras on the tracks :)
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: macaroni on April 16, 2008, 05:14:27 pm
There's nothing green about ethanol!
Go Alfa v6. The xu10j4 will be tricky to turbocharge, unless you can find a 405t16 engine, but they are very expensive.
Go Alfa v6. The xu10j4 will be tricky to turbocharge, unless you can find a 405t16 engine, but they are very expensive.
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Spyros on April 16, 2008, 10:38:52 pm
Same for me : nothing green about ethanol.
But ... forget the V6 : you cannot fit it in a Bagheera engine bay.
This because of the big transversal pipe which serves as
1) support for the suspension,
2) Holder of the tension bar tensioner
3) depression reserve
4) strengh of the chassis
So not recommended to remove it.
And I presume that this was why you want to get rid of the torsion bars. The other issue is that the Bagheera chassis is not made to stand the coil overs. I've never been convinced by the few people who got rid of the torsion bars.µ
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For the engine, why not a XU10J2TE/Z or CTE ?
But ... forget the V6 : you cannot fit it in a Bagheera engine bay.
This because of the big transversal pipe which serves as
1) support for the suspension,
2) Holder of the tension bar tensioner
3) depression reserve
4) strengh of the chassis
So not recommended to remove it.
And I presume that this was why you want to get rid of the torsion bars. The other issue is that the Bagheera chassis is not made to stand the coil overs. I've never been convinced by the few people who got rid of the torsion bars.µ
µ
For the engine, why not a XU10J2TE/Z or CTE ?
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Jacobosterlindh on April 16, 2008, 10:54:37 pm
Macaroni:
i'm proberly going for the v6 again. !
And no, it's not so tricky, we have xu10-peugeot205 turbo with 3-400hp here in sweden. But with ethanol it is.
Spyros:
ok, i“ve heard of that but i will strength:n up the chassis where it needs to be strengthen.
Both a friend at "öhlins" a famous chassis-company have said that it souldn't be any bigger problem.
And, do i want a v6 in the bagh. I'll make it fit. No problems.
Like a friend said for a couple of years ago, "cool to have a ES4J (v6) in a 205 Gti." "yeah right.. i thought" But, look at youtube...
Even if its a problem, it's not imposseble at all!
You can fit an v12 in the bagh too, that have been done too. I mean, i have'nt any problems with take my tiger-saw and make some space.
Well hope i'll see you some time to show you the real thing next year when this is on the road. ;)
i'm proberly going for the v6 again. !
And no, it's not so tricky, we have xu10-peugeot205 turbo with 3-400hp here in sweden. But with ethanol it is.
Spyros:
ok, i“ve heard of that but i will strength:n up the chassis where it needs to be strengthen.
Both a friend at "öhlins" a famous chassis-company have said that it souldn't be any bigger problem.
And, do i want a v6 in the bagh. I'll make it fit. No problems.
Like a friend said for a couple of years ago, "cool to have a ES4J (v6) in a 205 Gti." "yeah right.. i thought" But, look at youtube...
Even if its a problem, it's not imposseble at all!
You can fit an v12 in the bagh too, that have been done too. I mean, i have'nt any problems with take my tiger-saw and make some space.
Well hope i'll see you some time to show you the real thing next year when this is on the road. ;)
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Spyros on April 17, 2008, 10:18:01 pm
Ok, you can cut the chassis .
But ... you will also have to do something about the fuel tank.
First, it will be in the way
Second, the plastic will not like the heat of the second exhaust manifold.
So, the only way to still get enough fuel will be to make 2 tanks in the 2 sides of the car. Aluminium but you will need a god pannel beater to get the shape correct.
I still prefer the 4 cylinders , even if the intercooler will be difficult to locate and even if changing the oil filter will not be so easy anymore.
But ... you will also have to do something about the fuel tank.
First, it will be in the way
Second, the plastic will not like the heat of the second exhaust manifold.
So, the only way to still get enough fuel will be to make 2 tanks in the 2 sides of the car. Aluminium but you will need a god pannel beater to get the shape correct.
I still prefer the 4 cylinders , even if the intercooler will be difficult to locate and even if changing the oil filter will not be so easy anymore.
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Jacobosterlindh on April 18, 2008, 04:43:14 pm
Yes. The tank will be fitted in the front, with cells.
hm.. every thing has it's solution, heat shields m.m.
I'll uppdate this thread when i'd got some longer in my project ;D
hm.. every thing has it's solution, heat shields m.m.
I'll uppdate this thread when i'd got some longer in my project ;D
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: krede on April 20, 2008, 07:26:18 am
First of all... very very Impressive project! :)
For a small light car as the Bag, Id forget all about a heavy v6, and find a light weight high rev screamer instead....... like a honda or something.
BUT!
IMHO the pug 1.9 16v seems to be the perfect choice, since it's supposed to be the easiest engine to swap... and it CAN be made to go really fast!
Have a look at this:
http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/pug16v.htm
For a small light car as the Bag, Id forget all about a heavy v6, and find a light weight high rev screamer instead....... like a honda or something.
BUT!
IMHO the pug 1.9 16v seems to be the perfect choice, since it's supposed to be the easiest engine to swap... and it CAN be made to go really fast!
Have a look at this:
http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/pug16v.htm
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: macaroni on April 20, 2008, 08:40:12 am
Or how about this...
http://www.leboncoin.fr/vi/8774135.htm?ca=15_s
ex-205 t16 turbo motor!
http://www.leboncoin.fr/vi/8774135.htm?ca=15_s
ex-205 t16 turbo motor!
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Jacobosterlindh on April 21, 2008, 07:19:48 pm
I have been working with many peugeots and 205mi16 cars. But i like the v6 character better.
I'm going v6. it isn't much more heavier than the xu10. And i have easy horses to fetch. And the sound of the v6 does the rest. =)
And the 205t16 is TO expensive
I'm going v6. it isn't much more heavier than the xu10. And i have easy horses to fetch. And the sound of the v6 does the rest. =)
And the 205t16 is TO expensive
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Jacobosterlindh on May 16, 2008, 01:49:13 pm
I had luck last week and found a race-prep. engine for my projekt. So i have sold my alfa romeo 24v v6 and my xu10j4...
The new engine have 280hk, with papers. Turbocharged, 1.3L suzuki.
Alot done with that engine. The best is the light weight, around 65-70kg. ;D
The new engine have 280hk, with papers. Turbocharged, 1.3L suzuki.
Alot done with that engine. The best is the light weight, around 65-70kg. ;D
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Anders Dinsen on May 16, 2008, 01:54:32 pm
I had luck last week and found a race-prep. engine for my projekt. So i have sold my alfa romeo 24v v6 and my xu10j4...
The new engine have 280hk, with papers. Turbocharged, 1.3L suzuki.
Alot done with that engine. The best is the light weight, around 65-70kg. ;D
The new engine have 280hk, with papers. Turbocharged, 1.3L suzuki.
Alot done with that engine. The best is the light weight, around 65-70kg. ;D
Sounds like a magnificent japanese work of art :) and a perfect match for your Bag. Congratulations! Photos, please!
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: macaroni on May 16, 2008, 02:35:36 pm
Nooooooo!!, not Japanese please! Keep it euro, for goodness sake.
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Jacobosterlindh on May 16, 2008, 02:39:46 pm
Nooooooo!!, not Japanese please! Keep it euro, for goodness sake.
Ha-ha. But... 280hp@70kg is hard to beat. Anyway, the most parts of the rebuilt engine is U.S. and EU-parts. ;)
Anders Dinsen:
I'll post some pictures soon. !
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Spyros on May 17, 2008, 08:31:55 am
1.3 L 270 HP ? Torque ?
If it's not original who can dare to care if the engine is Japanese, Korean or even Chinese .
I'm also waiting the pictures :)
If it's not original who can dare to care if the engine is Japanese, Korean or even Chinese .
I'm also waiting the pictures :)
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Jacobosterlindh on May 24, 2008, 01:47:14 pm
Sounds like i'll get the engine tomorrow...
Spyros: ~275hp with around 320 NM in Torque. It's proberly just what i need to get some moving in the bagh.
Spyros: ~275hp with around 320 NM in Torque. It's proberly just what i need to get some moving in the bagh.
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Jacobosterlindh on June 06, 2008, 11:36:23 am
As i promised:
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_4304.jpg)
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_4310.jpg)
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_4304.jpg)
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_4310.jpg)
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: krede on June 06, 2008, 03:29:01 pm
Looks like a pretty serious piece of kit!!! :o
How much did you have to pay for it?
How much did you have to pay for it?
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Spyros on June 06, 2008, 08:52:10 pm
Back to nature ??? ;)
Small !
Artisanal exhaust collector ?
Wouldn't it be more easy if inlet & exhaust were exchanged ? (in another engine)
Small !
Artisanal exhaust collector ?
Wouldn't it be more easy if inlet & exhaust were exchanged ? (in another engine)
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Jacobosterlindh on June 08, 2008, 11:45:56 pm
It is pretty serious kit =) i payed 1500
HEHE, and i payed 600 for the two bagheeras two years ago! ::)
yes, maybe, but it is so small, i don't think it's going to be any problem.
HEHE, and i payed 600 for the two bagheeras two years ago! ::)
yes, maybe, but it is so small, i don't think it's going to be any problem.
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Jacobosterlindh on July 24, 2008, 12:48:33 pm
An little update here:
Working on double a-arms back and like replacing standard in the front. Also, remaking the floor and replacing the under framework. (2 girders).
Will be an short update with pictures in a while :)
Working on double a-arms back and like replacing standard in the front. Also, remaking the floor and replacing the under framework. (2 girders).
Will be an short update with pictures in a while :)
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Jacobosterlindh on August 29, 2008, 09:58:03 am
Started with the floor
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_0907.jpg)
And then it got like this:
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_0919.jpg)
Empty?
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_0916.jpg)
Garbage:
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_0914.jpg)
Away with the garbage:
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_0924.jpg)
Bye bye for this time :):
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_0926.jpg)
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_0907.jpg)
And then it got like this:
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_0919.jpg)
Empty?
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_0916.jpg)
Garbage:
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_0914.jpg)
Away with the garbage:
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_0924.jpg)
Bye bye for this time :):
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/IMG_0926.jpg)
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: michaltalbot on September 15, 2008, 01:06:38 pm
Great project and great engine to use.
Just don't let Michal see this...
Just don't let Michal see this...
Which "Michal" You are speaking about? :D :D :D
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Spyros on November 01, 2008, 03:40:58 pm
Just to give you some incentive to come back do an update (and I've an U8 picture)
(http://nsm01.casimages.com/img/2008/11/01/081101034009451312689488.jpg)
(http://nsm01.casimages.com/img/2008/11/01/081101034011451312689489.jpg)
(http://nsm01.casimages.com/img/2008/11/01/081101034009451312689488.jpg)
(http://nsm01.casimages.com/img/2008/11/01/081101034011451312689489.jpg)
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Jacobosterlindh on November 07, 2008, 08:58:30 pm
Oh my, interesting! but, it seems to look like it would be installed in a boat :D Such colours!
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Jacobosterlindh on December 07, 2008, 10:20:44 pm
A small update here. Has not happened so far, the car is on its way to sandblasting company. Adding up some pictures on the outcome later... ;D
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Fred on July 10, 2009, 10:32:10 pm
Very interesting thread but it's gone very quiet!
I hope we'll see some update! :o
I hope we'll see some update! :o
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Jacobosterlindh on July 14, 2009, 10:21:27 am
I unfortunately have not taken any new pictures but the project is ongoing, expected to stand at the wheel for mapping in the spring. it's money that makes it go slowly, why should there be such a shortage of those? ::) ???
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Fred on July 24, 2009, 12:27:35 am
Thanks for letting us know, Jacob. :) Good luck with the re-engineering and especially, the finances! ;)
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Jacobosterlindh on September 08, 2009, 12:27:44 am
The subframe for the new engine in progress.
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/030.jpg)
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l84/jacoboesterlindh/030.jpg)
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: Oskar on September 09, 2009, 10:52:53 am
cool! keep working ;D
Title: Re: My project!
Post by: andyowl on November 29, 2009, 05:55:43 pm
About the yellow engine with the DCOE carb, Mick Ward of the UK Simca Club had these observations...
I was looking on the MatraSport forum for anything on supercharging and spotted the pictures of the yellow engine with a DCOE weber attached to the blower. This engine is in a 'period' group 4 SIMCA 1200S coupe which has appeared at a number of shows in France.. You note the position of the distributor. The top of the timing cover is the original position for it on the upright, anticlockwise versions of the engine used in the 1000s and 1200S coupes. The 1000 cam has an extra bit cast on the end with a extra gear to drive the distributor. The gear driving the cross shaft inside the block then just drives the oil pump. The hole for the distributor on the transverse engines is covered by the base of the water pump on the 1000 block..
All the best Mick Ward.
I was looking on the MatraSport forum for anything on supercharging and spotted the pictures of the yellow engine with a DCOE weber attached to the blower. This engine is in a 'period' group 4 SIMCA 1200S coupe which has appeared at a number of shows in France.. You note the position of the distributor. The top of the timing cover is the original position for it on the upright, anticlockwise versions of the engine used in the 1000s and 1200S coupes. The 1000 cam has an extra bit cast on the end with a extra gear to drive the distributor. The gear driving the cross shaft inside the block then just drives the oil pump. The hole for the distributor on the transverse engines is covered by the base of the water pump on the 1000 block..
All the best Mick Ward.
