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Title: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on April 14, 2009, 03:27:14 pm
Our faithful 2001 Grand Espace failed on the way to France last Friday, and we had to leave it in the middle of Germany in a small town called Bad Hersfeld. It was the timing belt that caused problems - luckily it didn't fail, but was coming off the pulleys. We realised that there was a problem when we stopped for lunch about 500 km from home and the engine made a strange noise. I quickly realised that the noise was coming from the rear timing belt cover and called for help. The car was towed to the Renault garage in the nearby town of Bad Hersfeld.

The mechanic tried getting the belt cover off the engine, but its practically impossible without removing the r.h. engine mount. He did manage to get it opened up enough to see from underneath that the belt was misplaced by some 10-15 mm outwards, and was therefore scraping on the inside of the cover, making the noise.

The belt was done in December by my regular Renault garage, so the car had to go back to them for repair under warranty. We therefore had to reload to a rented Ford S-Max - nice car, but no way a replacement for the Espace: Wife and children disliked it a lot, and I must say that while driving it was a nice experience, the space and pulling power of the V6 Grand Espace cannot be made up by this "mini MPV".

The car is still sitting in Germany due to the holidays, but I expect it to arrive here in DK this week. I therefore haven't got a final diagnosis yet, so I can only guess on what has gone wrong. A bolt on a pulley not tightened enough? A bearing failure? Wife misses her car a lot, so I hope it will go smooth and quckly!

And I'm extremely glad we discovered the problem before it became fatal!

/Anders


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: renaultbiler on April 14, 2009, 05:41:37 pm
And I'm extremely glad we discovered the problem before it became fatal!

puh !! :o


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Lennart Sorth on April 16, 2009, 01:10:39 am
Our faithful 2001 Grand Espace failed on the way to France last Friday,
Argh - poor you.  But also lucky.
- and I was just about to send you an email to hear about your holiday ...
It could at least have waited until the end of the holiday.

So you could drop off the S-Max in Copenhagen ? - how much of that is covered
by insurance or even the garage warranty ?


/Lennart


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Matra_Hans on April 16, 2009, 08:01:35 am
That was a close call!!

Hans


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on April 16, 2009, 04:51:21 pm
I got a call from the mechanic today - it turned out that the car was dropped off with them on Tuesday already. I never heard anything from SOS (who handles the transport).

But he had really bad news:

1. It was the tensioner that failed. It had literally been pulled off the engine, where it is fixed by three bolts. Threads in the block were ruined and there was still two or three turns of thread from the block left on the bolts! This is a very odd failure!

2. When he received the car, the belt was loose. It was not when I last saw it! And had one broken and 23 bent valves! Some idiot obviously started it after we left it! Probably during transport.

Good thing: Everything will be covered by my garage, and they are now looking for new valves - or a replacement engine/cylinder heads. Renault charges ridiculous prices for valves (600 DKK/piece plus VAT). Bottom end is still in perfect shape.

I still feel lucky that it didn't happen on the motorway - we can still save the engine, but I'm furious about the fact that it has been started. In hindsight we should have removed the battery and put a large note in the car, but then again!

Yes we could drop of the S-Max in Cph, and as far as I know, everything will be covered by insurance and garage warranty.

It's been a strange day - 15'th wedding anniversary, new job start - and then this!
I'll go and see for myself on Monday. I don't have time tomorrow due to the new job.

/Anders


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: renaultbiler on April 16, 2009, 08:13:44 pm
2. When he received the car, the belt was loose. It was not when I last saw it! And had one broken and 23 bent valves! Some idiot obviously started it after we left it! Probably during transport.
....and thats why you never heard anything from SOS :-X

Exchanging valves and/or cylinder head - but what about the destroyed treads for the tensioner ? Isn't that part of the engine block ?

Any chance to claim factory rebuilt exchange engine from Renault ?

The damage to the tensioner mountings could very well be a result from overtightening it when the cambelt was replaced..


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on April 16, 2009, 11:18:14 pm
2. When he received the car, the belt was loose. It was not when I last saw it! And had one broken and 23 bent valves! Some idiot obviously started it after we left it! Probably during transport.
....and thats why you never heard anything from SOS :-X

Perhaps?

Quote
Exchanging valves and/or cylinder head - but what about the destroyed treads for the tensioner ? Isn't that part of the engine block ?

Indeed it is. They've cut the threads up to a larger size and that should be all right - unless the bolts are over tightened again. As you suggest, it's clearly my own garage's fault when they fitted the belt and over-tightened the bolts. One bolt that kills a thread is okay, but three!? No.

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Any chance to claim factory rebuilt exchange engine from Renault ?

No, and I don't think it's necessary. The final failure has happened at low speed and the pistons are undamaged. I'll look for myself on monday. Valves are designed to snap/bend before the bottom end is hurt: It can take a lot of punishment. I'll prefer my current engine to be fixed with new valves, as I know this one is well maintained. The mechanic is looking at other options, and he's found a complete used engine in Sweden with only 70 kkm on the clock, but it has an oil pressure problem, so it will surely need a close inspection before fitting.

Another option might be to buy a complete car in German. I've found one with "leichten Getriebschaden" ("small gearbox problems", whatever that might be) for only 1500 EUR:
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=110765807

/Anders


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: renaultbiler on April 16, 2009, 11:32:18 pm
That one has the older gearbox with lever on the dash, are you sure it is a 24v ?
I could really need one of those extra Initiale seats as i have only 6 :P

I think i have been across the swedish car in a forum over there - repeated trouble with oil pressure whilst still in use, and they (Espace 24v) dont grow on trees there so im pretty sure it must be the same one. Hands off and stick to your current engine.


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on April 17, 2009, 06:41:19 am
That one has the older gearbox with lever on the dash, are you sure it is a 24v ?
I could really need one of those extra Initiale seats as i have only 6 :P

I think i have been across the swedish car in a forum over there - repeated trouble with oil pressure whilst still in use, and they (Espace 24v) dont grow on trees there so im pretty sure it must be the same one. Hands off and stick to your current engine.

Yes, the position of the gear selector nothing to do with the type of gearbox.  I used to think the same, but the gearbox on all 24V Espace's are ZF 4HP20's (which are good boxes, though I know of problems with them in UK), and this particular car is indeed a 24V. The only reason Espace was switched to the floor mounted was because users preferred that layout. The original design had the lever on the dash, and that was used throughout the versions of auto-boxes until they switched to the other.

Thanks for connecting on the one in Sweden. Yes, it's probably the same car. I agree, it's not an option.

/Anders


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: TheJoker on April 20, 2009, 02:25:26 pm
That's quite bad news Anders! I hope you get it sorted without too much aggrevation.  :o


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on April 20, 2009, 07:28:43 pm
That's quite bad news Anders! I hope you get it sorted without too much aggrevation.  :o

Thanks. Things are beginning to look a bit brighter now. I went to the garage this morning to see for myself and have a chat with the mechanic who replaced the timing belt back in December. We discussed the procedure of fitting the belt, which is quite elaborate and involves intermediate tightening of the bolts to only 10 nm followed by loosening, tensioning of the belt, and finally tightening to 25 nm. He knew these numbers, and also knew the manual. He has done everything according to procedure. Only thing he could think about was that the bolts were rather short, and perhaps they should have been replaced with longer bolts because the mounting plate for the tensioner was thicker?

The good news is that they seem to have found a factory new engine - it is not a rebuilt engine, but one that has never run a single km. It seems to be old stock saved by someone in Germany, and they can get it at an attactive price. I know the source, and I trust that this will be the best possible solution - much better than rebuilding the old engine. While the old engine can do many more km than the 190000 it has done now, there's a lot of work involved in replacing the valves and repairing and grinding valve seats etc, so even for them, this will be cheaper.

I hope they will get it up from Germany quickly, so we can get on the road again soon! We really miss our wonderful Espace!

Here's a link to my photos of the damage:

http://gallery.dinsen.net/v/biler/soelvpilen/timingbeltfailure/

This photo shows the engine block and the failed mouting plate. It looks perfect on this photo because it is: It has been refitted on the block before they realised the valves were damaged:

(http://gallery.dinsen.net/d/12650-2/DSC_8776.JPG)

These valves don't look right, I think ;)

(http://gallery.dinsen.net/d/12626-2/DSC_8754.JPG)

... and this one has snapped:

(http://gallery.dinsen.net/d/12622-2/DSC_8752.JPG)



/Anders


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: TheJoker on April 21, 2009, 10:54:37 am
Anders, that is indeed good news. Funny how you can still find a garage in Denmark that can actually work on an engine rather than say "It's broken" as they seem to do here in UK.  >:(  ::)


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on April 22, 2009, 07:46:29 pm
It turned out that the engine they found wasn't the right one after all. They got the number, and it was different: It's a Clio V6 engine. There must be a few of these on the market, which - despite being in a higher state of tune - are being sold at attractive prices.

But it doesn't help me - it will never run well. Compression is higher, cams are probably a different profile, and it has variable valve timing. It's tuned version of the newer generation of the engine!

I think the garage will end up repairing the old engine, but let's see what they come up with. If only it will be FAST - this is SO frustrating.

Cars here are taxed very high, so there's a bit more value to do repairs for, I suppose that's why they're ready to repair and not just buy us a used similarly aged car. That would be around 20000£ here in Denmark.

/anders



Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: renaultbiler on April 23, 2009, 08:17:13 pm
http://www.minedor.net/pieceespace.html

Quote:
Moteur NEUF Renault V6 3 LITRES L7X

Disponible pour boite manuelle ou automatique

(ce n'est pas un échange standard, moteur neuf, 0 kilomètre, n'a jamais été monté)

pour véhicules :Espace3, Laguna II, Avantime, Velsatis ou autres..
(idéal pour préparation)

Moteur Neuf Livré complet avec : alternateur, pompe assistance et clim, injection + faisceau moteur, embrayage, courroie de distribution et autres, collect.echap...

Prix unitaire TTC : 2392 euros A titre d'info, en magasin plus de 10 000 euros


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on April 24, 2009, 06:40:14 am
Hmm.... thanks Tom!

Can they be trusted? 2400 EUR is a lot of money to send on a cheque and Paris is a bit far to drive to pick it up.
I'll have my father in law call them today.

/Anders


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: renaultbiler on April 24, 2009, 04:53:24 pm
Can they be trusted?

I think so, they have been around for quite a while and have in addition a positive profile on ebay aswell.
But i havent any personal experience with them.


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on April 24, 2009, 06:18:58 pm
Can they be trusted?

I think so, they have been around for quite a while and have in addition a positive profile on ebay aswell.
But i havent any personal experience with them.

We tried calling them, and they asked us to e-mail, but the mail bounced. Since he's writing "idéal pour préparation" (good for tuning), chances are that this engine is the same we already found (only somewhat cheaper). And *if* it's okay, we still have to find a way to get it here...

So I've turned my thumb down so far. We have to get the car rolling, and so far we haven't had any luck chasing replacement engines. I'm also absolutely confident that the old one can be repaired properly.

/Anders


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: renaultbiler on April 25, 2009, 09:13:30 am
The picture of the new engine looks like it is prepared for autobox so i doubt its a Clio engine - but you are probably correct about using your original engine.

If i was living in Denmark it would simply be a pure pleasure drive to Paris and pick it up ;D - as it is very far from where i live now :-\

Been through Denmark and Germany a few times with the Alpine and i was in Paris on the Renault 100 ans in -98 with my 1981 R30TX -and you have such nice roads down there 8) compared to the cattle paths here in Norway!!!!!


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: renaultbiler on April 25, 2009, 01:36:23 pm
And while you're still having the engine out i recomend fitting a KN panel air-filter in it, just did that in our 24v and it gives noticeable better throttle responce +++ at a very desent price (614 NOK + vat) and say goodbye to future filter exchanges with their million mile warranty.

KN does not have filter listed for Espace 24v but the one for Safrane 24v fits like a glove with part number 33-2618


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Sommerby on April 25, 2009, 11:58:33 pm
Sorry to hear about your problems.  For 2 years ago our Grand Espace 2.2DCI  broke down while we were heading towards the South of France. It happend North of Hamburg so we had to continiue in a VW Multivan. No pleasent at all.  Driving approx 2000 km in the multivan made me realize how good the Espace is.
It was the Fuel pump which broke down.  The price for the replacement was 1100 euros.  We have now been driven 100.000 km in the Espace and both of my front springs broke within 2 weeks.  Today I have replaced all the springs. Bought a original set in Germany for approx 300 euros and replaced them myself. The front springs were a pain to replace, while the back springs was done in less than half an hour. 
I hope you will be able to find a good engine or to get the original one repaired.
Best Regards
Bo


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on April 26, 2009, 10:40:11 am
Thanks Bo and Tom

Well Paris may be closer to Copenhagen than your pretty part of Norway, but it's still a long way to drive, and frankly we're pretty anxious to get the car back on the road. And I haven't been able to get in contact with the guy - a fresh engine would be nice to have, but the old one is very much okay if repaired. I'm primarily concerned about the time factor here! We need to get back on the road!

Bo, it's comforting to hear about your experiences. Well done about your spring work. I'm going to have the shocks replaced in the back as the car was not as stable as I would have expected it to be when we headed south, but since our cars are similar age, it might be worth checking the springs too. 300 € for a new set of springs isn't expensive, and now the engine is out anyway, driveshafts are disconnected etc, it might be a good idea to do them now rather than later. Did you do the shocks too? Which supplier were you using this time?

/Anders


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Sommerby on April 26, 2009, 02:54:31 pm
Hi Anders. I bought the springs from Albach in Germany.  2078,-dkr including shipping. 
Make sure that you have a proffesional quality umbracho key set if you do the front springs your self. I had a cheap set and I broke a key in one of the springs when I had to dismantle it :-(
Don't forget to replace the bearings in the front shock absorbers. They also starts to give trouble when the car is about 8 to 10 years old.
Best Regards
Bo


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on April 28, 2009, 06:13:46 pm
UPDATE: I bought a new engine on eBay yesterday - paid it today, and now I'm looking forward to getting it shipped. This should take three workdays, but I'm not cheering until I see it.

The engine was dead cheap, but frankly I don't care, as my mechanic's insurance is paying, and it was only for practical reasons that I did the transaction: My mechanic has never traded on eBay for example.

I guess there's light of the end of the tunnel now...

Bo, we did the struct bearings for the same reason on ours last year, we thought they had failed, as we had a knocking sound from the front - but it actually turned out to be the lower suspension joint which had failed in a way so it wasn't directly detectible when the car was on the lift. We checked the springs then, so I think they will be all right.

I think the rear shocks are done though, as the rear end felt somewhat more "lively" than it used to when we set off with it fully loaded.

/Anders


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: renaultbiler on April 28, 2009, 08:36:32 pm
Got the used ebay engine for this-repair-engineparts or are you planning on using it "as is" in favour of your original engine ?


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on April 28, 2009, 10:20:47 pm
Got the used ebay engine for this-repair-engineparts or are you planning on using it "as is" in favour of your original engine ?

No, this is actually a brand new engine. It's sold as used with 7 km mileage, but it's completely new and unused. It even comes with complete ancillaries: Generator, servo pump, air con pump. Belts will be renewed as we don't know how it has been stored, but the rest of the machine will go right in. Only difference from the current engine is the number - this is an L7X 700, Espace has a 727, but the engines are identical as they have the same spare part numbers in the catalogues.

So the old engine will be scrapped. I'll probably save a few souvenirs (like bent valves and the damaged piston), and the cams look so good that it would be a pity to throw them away, but the rest of it is next to worthless - the spares are way too expensive to justify this.

/Anders


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: TheJoker on April 28, 2009, 10:26:10 pm
That's very good news Anders. Do you dare expose what you paid for the engine... and did they stock a 2.2dCi..?!  ::)


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on April 28, 2009, 11:16:48 pm
That's very good news Anders. Do you dare expose what you paid for the engine... and did they stock a 2.2dCi..?!  ::)

Sure, no problem: 2285 € - that's about 1/4th of what Renault charges and half what we had previously been quoted for a non-compatible engine.

2.2 dci - no, I don't think they had one of those, but try searching for G9T and you'll get a few hits on eBay.

/Anders


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: TheJoker on April 29, 2009, 10:08:57 am
Not too bad then, Anders! Sadly €2285 is pretty close to the Parker's trade-in-value for my car, and as such it's deemed "stupid" to perform an engine transplant here in UK. eBay has got one G9T for £1196, but that's a trade-in with the old engine. It's totally without any auxillaries. Not much use to me.  ::)

Anyway, back to topic. I really hope you get your car sorted and that the engine arrives promptly and that it's in good condition.


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on May 04, 2009, 07:24:39 pm
The engine arrived today at the garage! It looks very promising. That's even ahead of schedule :D
I'm going there tomorrow morning to take a look for myself. I just can't wait ;)

/Anders


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Lennart Sorth on May 04, 2009, 11:45:52 pm
In the style of modern car magazines, I have created the Dinsen JE-happiness chart:
(http://www.matrasport.dk/dinsen_JE_chart.jpg)
Will keep my fingers crossed for the curve soon to hit upper right corner!
/Lennart


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: TheJoker on May 04, 2009, 11:52:41 pm
 :D ;D 8) Love it!!!


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on May 05, 2009, 07:57:52 pm
:D ;D 8) Love it!!!

So do I! :D

Here's my photos from today:
http://gallery.dinsen.net/v/biler/soelvpilen/newengine/

(http://gallery.dinsen.net/d/12749-4/DSC_8939.JPG)


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Lennart Sorth on May 05, 2009, 11:49:16 pm
Beautiful .. *almost* a shame to hide it away deep inside the car ...

Comparing to my P406 Coupe (same engine) it is amazing so little can be seen of an Espace-III engine once its installed (or the car has been build around it).

/Lennart



Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: renaultbiler on May 06, 2009, 05:02:08 pm
Since this is the L7X 700 Laguna engine - does it have the VVT dephaser pulley and single coils ?

Looking very good!

If you now have some spare plastic covers from your old engine i am interested as mine are scratched from the last cambelt service - looks like its been raped :o


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on May 06, 2009, 09:10:45 pm
Since this is the L7X 700 Laguna engine - does it have the VVT dephaser pulley and single coils ?

No, there's the same 3 way ignition coil module as the 727, and no VVT.

Quote
Looking very good!

If you now have some spare plastic covers from your old engine i am interested as mine are scratched from the last cambelt service - looks like its been raped :o

Yes, they should be there. I hope (everyone, keep your fingers crossed!) to pick it up tomorrow with a box of souvenirs. The cam belt covers should certainly be there somewhere. I'll let you know, Tom.

/Anders


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on May 07, 2009, 06:41:36 pm
Just a quick note to mention that IT'S BACK! We're back to level 10!! :)


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: TheJoker on May 07, 2009, 07:26:18 pm
WOHOOOO!!!! May you have many lovely miles!  :-*  8)


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on May 08, 2009, 08:35:30 am
Yes, it's back and we love it. The car received a few hungs and kisses yesterday when I came home with it - it's a little like welcoming back a long lost family member! The funny thing was that all day, I couldn't really beleive that I was actually going to pick the car up! I took the train to the garage, and felt I had to call them before leaving - to arrange pickup at the station, I said, but the truth was that I wanted to give them the possibility of telling me it hadn't worked out. All day, my mind was inventing stupid reasons why it should not work out!

And there weren't actually any real problems. Torben is a very good mechanic! The only real problem he had was that there was air trapped in the servo circuit and it took some 20 km of driving for them to get it out. A very small problem compared to the amount of time spent on the operation!

(http://gallery.dinsen.net/d/12789-2/DSC_8960.JPG)

Can you tell the difference? It's easier to see from the underside:

(http://gallery.dinsen.net/d/12807-4/DSC_8966.JPG)

As Lennart mentioned, this engine is very well hidden in the car! But frankly, I don't think it's a pity to "hide" this new engine - the car is much better with the engine INSIDE it than OUTSIDE it!! ;D

Is it better than the old one? I think it's a bit less noisy when cold, but otherwise it's difficult to tell the difference. But if I get in doubt whether we really have a NEW engine, I only need to remove the oil cap and look down at this:

(http://gallery.dinsen.net/d/12804-2/DSC_8965.JPG)

I took one of the damaged cylinder heads with me yesterday, and enjoyed myself taking the cams out of it. They will look good on my workshop table ;) What a pity to scrap this engine, it's hardly worn after 192 kkm :( The only signs of wear I have been able to find is a little wear on one of the cam bearings in the head:

(http://gallery.dinsen.net/d/12783-2/DSC_8970.JPG)

Tom, I've got the cam covers for you. I also have a 3000 km old servo pump (we renewed it in December), an alternator, an aircon compressor, a starter which looks brand new (but I think it is as old as the engine), and a load of other parts too good to be scrapped:

(http://gallery.dinsen.net/d/12810-2/DSC_8967.JPG)

/Anders 8)


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: TheJoker on May 08, 2009, 08:49:57 am
I'm very pleased for you, Anders! Do you have any idea how many hours they spent on the actual engine transplant (and if it's transversable to the 2.2dCi..?)?
I'm sure those parts you've salvaged from the old engine will find their way to needing hands.  ;D
Good news, though! :)


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on May 08, 2009, 09:49:27 am
I'm very pleased for you, Anders! Do you have any idea how many hours they spent on the actual engine transplant (and if it's transversable to the 2.2dCi..?)?

Thanks :) I think an engine transplant will amount to 30-40 hours. They had one mechanic working full time on the installation since Tuesday, and he probably got some help from a colleague or two in the process. Add to that the time to take the old engine out.

/Anders



Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: TheJoker on May 08, 2009, 09:56:10 am
I think an engine transplant will amount to 30-40 hours. They had one mechanic working full time on the installation since Tuesday, and he probably got some help from a colleague or two in the process. Add to that the time to take the old engine out.

OUCH! I'm glad you didn't have to pay for that. I'm sure not going to pay for one for my car.  :'( Anyway enjoy your new car!  :D


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Lennart Sorth on May 08, 2009, 03:27:05 pm
Yes, it's back and we love it.
CONGRATULATIONS !!  - and it looks fantastic.  That was quick the curve returned to the above-10 mark :-)

/Lennart
 


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: renaultbiler on May 08, 2009, 05:59:07 pm
Congratulations with a beautiful engine :) and the car back !!


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Lennart Sorth on May 11, 2009, 02:10:34 am
for completeness:
(http://www.matrasport.dk/dinsen_JE_chart2.jpg)

nice to complete that chart :-)
The observant will notice the curve starts and ends above the 10-mark :-)

/Lennart


Title: Re: Our Grand Espace 24v failed on the way to France
Post by: Anders Dinsen on May 11, 2009, 06:11:13 pm
for completeness:

nice to complete that chart :-)
The observant will notice the curve starts and ends above the 10-mark :-)

Excellent, Lennart. I guess the point of the "above the 10-mark" is that an Espace brings you just there! ;D

Cheers,
Anders 8)