Title: Weight of 1294cc / 1442cc Bagheeras ..
Post by: Fred on July 10, 2009, 09:44:40 pm
If my figures are correct the 1294cc Bagheera's kerb weight is 885kg but the 1442cc model increases to 1015kg.
That's a not insignificant 115kg / 253lb weight gain!
Are there some specific components that attribute to the later car's weight increase? Is the chassis different? Or is it just a case of a little increase here, a little increase there and it all adds up?
That's a not insignificant 115kg / 253lb weight gain!
Are there some specific components that attribute to the later car's weight increase? Is the chassis different? Or is it just a case of a little increase here, a little increase there and it all adds up?
Title: Re: Weight of 1294cc / 1442cc Bagheeras ..
Post by: valross on July 11, 2009, 09:27:20 am
These are the kerb weights (poids à vide en ordre de marche) I have found:
1974-75 1294cc 930 kg (base)
1976 1294cc 960 kg (base)
1975-76 1442cc 995 kg (S, Courrèges)
1977-78 1294cc 980 kg (base)
1977-80 1442cc 1015 kg (S, Courrège, Jubilé, X)
Lasse
1974-75 1294cc 930 kg (base)
1976 1294cc 960 kg (base)
1975-76 1442cc 995 kg (S, Courrèges)
1977-78 1294cc 980 kg (base)
1977-80 1442cc 1015 kg (S, Courrège, Jubilé, X)
Lasse
Title: Re: Weight of 1294cc / 1442cc Bagheeras ..
Post by: Spyros on July 11, 2009, 11:03:44 am
Some comments
I'm currious about the real weight of Andy's racer ;) I suspect that the cage will have an adverse impact
These are the kerb weights (poids à vide en ordre de marche) I have found:
1974-75 1294cc 930 kg (base)
1976 1294cc 960 kg (base) Some difference to the chassis but hardly justify 30 kg
1975-76 1442cc 995 kg (S, Courrèges) 35 Kg difference. The engine which is about 1 inch Higger. And ... side windows electric motors, trim like feet rest, ... Could be justified
1977-78 1294cc 980 kg (base) To be compared to the 960 Kg = differences to the chassis + bumpers
1977-80 1442cc 1015 kg (S, Courrège, Jubilé, X) Here again 35 kg difference between the 1294 cc and the fully equiped 1440 cc
Lasse
1974-75 1294cc 930 kg (base)
1976 1294cc 960 kg (base) Some difference to the chassis but hardly justify 30 kg
1975-76 1442cc 995 kg (S, Courrèges) 35 Kg difference. The engine which is about 1 inch Higger. And ... side windows electric motors, trim like feet rest, ... Could be justified
1977-78 1294cc 980 kg (base) To be compared to the 960 Kg = differences to the chassis + bumpers
1977-80 1442cc 1015 kg (S, Courrège, Jubilé, X) Here again 35 kg difference between the 1294 cc and the fully equiped 1440 cc
Lasse
I'm currious about the real weight of Andy's racer ;) I suspect that the cage will have an adverse impact
Title: Re: Weight of 1294cc / 1442cc Bagheeras ..
Post by: andyowl on July 13, 2009, 10:09:20 am
It is a happy coincidence but the army parade ground we visited yesterday for another AutoSolo had, next door, a disused mechanical weighbridge. The building had been boarded up when they ceased to use it but someone had taken down the boards and one could go inside. Another competitor (driving a Caterham/Westfield/Lotus 7) noticed our heavy roll cage and asked what the car weighed. He showed me where the weighbridge was and in a quiet moment I went over to find out.
Baggy Joe, without a spare wheel and the three GRP undertrays, but with 3/4 tank of fuel and both new seats, weighed 945kg. He has the 1442 twin carb 1977 engine.
Whether the weighbridge was within calibration is open to doubt and although it had a "Calibrated" label on the dial the date shown was too pale to read. It was probably not too far out and 945kg aligns quite well with the 1020kg I was told by our local recycling depot when I weighed Grey Baggy earlier this year when I was trying to select a trailer. The recycling depot resolution was 20kg, they said, so it could have been nearer 1030kg or 1010kg.
Hope this helps.
Andy Owler
Baggy Joe, without a spare wheel and the three GRP undertrays, but with 3/4 tank of fuel and both new seats, weighed 945kg. He has the 1442 twin carb 1977 engine.
Whether the weighbridge was within calibration is open to doubt and although it had a "Calibrated" label on the dial the date shown was too pale to read. It was probably not too far out and 945kg aligns quite well with the 1020kg I was told by our local recycling depot when I weighed Grey Baggy earlier this year when I was trying to select a trailer. The recycling depot resolution was 20kg, they said, so it could have been nearer 1030kg or 1010kg.
Hope this helps.
Andy Owler
Title: Re: Weight of 1294cc / 1442cc Bagheeras ..
Post by: Spyros on July 13, 2009, 10:12:28 pm
Nice ;)
Title: Re: Weight of 1294cc / 1442cc Bagheeras ..
Post by: Fred on February 25, 2010, 08:32:12 pm
These are the kerb weights (poids à vide en ordre de marche) I have found:
1974-75 1294cc 930 kg (base)
1976 1294cc 960 kg (base)
1975-76 1442cc 995 kg (S, Courrèges)
1977-78 1294cc 980 kg (base)
1977-80 1442cc 1015 kg (S, Courrège, Jubilé, X)
Lasse
1974-75 1294cc 930 kg (base)
1976 1294cc 960 kg (base)
1975-76 1442cc 995 kg (S, Courrèges)
1977-78 1294cc 980 kg (base)
1977-80 1442cc 1015 kg (S, Courrège, Jubilé, X)
Lasse
Thanks for this Lasse, very interesting. :)
Title: Re: Weight of 1294cc / 1442cc Bagheeras ..
Post by: andyowl on February 26, 2010, 10:18:53 am
Weight gain in the Series 2 Bagheera...
I noticed, when working on the S1 Baggy Pink recently, that the luggage compartment was only GRP. Bagheera S2 has GRP outer skins surrounding a metal inner structure. This must add extra weight. Maybe there are other areas that are double skinned on the S2?
Andy
I noticed, when working on the S1 Baggy Pink recently, that the luggage compartment was only GRP. Bagheera S2 has GRP outer skins surrounding a metal inner structure. This must add extra weight. Maybe there are other areas that are double skinned on the S2?
Andy
Title: Re: Weight of 1294cc / 1442cc Bagheeras ..
Post by: Spyros on February 27, 2010, 06:04:53 pm
Hi Andy,
When you say GRP only, I presume you speak about the sides ?
Otherwise Miss Pink was not standard.
S Serie 1 have a full metal inner structure + Side window engine + Taller engine + passenger feet support.
65 Kg ?
When you say GRP only, I presume you speak about the sides ?
Otherwise Miss Pink was not standard.
S Serie 1 have a full metal inner structure + Side window engine + Taller engine + passenger feet support.
65 Kg ?
Title: Re: Weight of 1294cc / 1442cc Bagheeras ..
Post by: andyowl on February 27, 2010, 08:41:33 pm
I thought the rear vertical surface was also GRP only but I cannot now be sure. Andy
Title: Re: Weight of 1294cc / 1442cc Bagheeras ..
Post by: Spyros on February 28, 2010, 10:22:03 am
A magnet ?
See you soon,
Spyros
See you soon,
Spyros
Title: Re: Weight of 1294cc / 1442cc Bagheeras ..
Post by: andyowl on February 28, 2010, 09:10:47 pm
I have a magnet but I no longer have the car!
Andy
Andy
