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Title: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: Anders Dinsen on November 02, 2009, 07:13:06 pm
Hi all,

I need a new exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v. Renault and other brands want's more than 4000 DKK for a new one. This makes me consider a custom built stainless exhaust, but before I jump on the first good offer I can find for such a beast, I'd like to hear what you guys have done.

The one I'm currently replacing was very cheap and has lasted for 4 years, so I can't complain, but I can't find it any more. I should have bought two! :)

(http://gallery.dinsen.net/d/4930-2/DSCF0002.JPG)

/Anders


Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: Sommerby on November 03, 2009, 05:45:33 pm
Hi Anders.
You can get  the mid and rear exhaust for approx 330 euros from Ebay.de

http://cgi.ebay.de/Auspuff-Schalldaempfer-Mitte-RENAULT-GRAND-ESPACE-Q168_W0QQitemZ120314561211QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r?hash=item1c034e82bb

http://cgi.ebay.de/Auspuff-Schalldaempfer-hinten-RENAULT-GRAND-ESPACE-Q494_W0QQitemZ180297395793QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r?hash=item29fa8fee51

Best Regards
Bo


Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: Anders Dinsen on November 03, 2009, 06:57:29 pm
Thanks a lot Bo, that's better... I have'nt found the ones for the V6 before on eBay.

But still only 3-4 years lifetime, plus the exit pipe from the cat is near corroded through too, so I'm actually thinking about replacing everything from engine and back.

/ANders


Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: renaultbiler on November 03, 2009, 08:12:39 pm
Got a new cat for our 24v last year from http://myworld.ebay.com/citroenservices/
Company behind is AEP Direct uk - http://www.aepdirect.com/

Think it was something along £120-130 for the cat

Been thinking about stainless steel exhaust too, twin pipe....


Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: Anders Dinsen on November 04, 2009, 10:34:10 pm
I just found this company near Göteborg:

http://www.rakaror.o.se/

It seems they have everything we need. Now I just need a quote on building the stuff. Especially the bend over the rear axle could be a challenge, unless we're using bends to make it...

/Anders


Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: Anders Dinsen on November 07, 2009, 05:13:08 pm
Remus has an exhaust, but only the end. Price is reasonable at about 3500 DKK. Is there anyone here who has experience with or an opinion about Remus?

(http://tmp.dinsen.net/espace/remus.jpg)



Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: roy4matra on November 07, 2009, 05:16:00 pm
I need a new exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v. Renault and other brands want's more than 4000 DKK for a new one. This makes me consider a custom built stainless exhaust...

Whilst my car is a lot older Anders, my exhaust started to fail earlier this year, and the Quadra has a different system to the normal 2WD.  I was told the 4WD system was no longer available in the UK from just about everyone I tried, and even Renault didn't stock it any longer.  I would have to wait 10 days to get the silencer from France and the cost was ridiculous for a mild steel item.  So I had one made to fit in a few hours, from stainless steel at two thirds the cost, and it has a life time guarantee!

Roy


Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: Anders Dinsen on November 08, 2009, 07:26:25 am
So I had one made to fit in a few hours, from stainless steel at two thirds the cost, and it has a life time guarantee!

Congratulations on your new exhaust, Roy! My original idea was to do something like that, but I haven't yet found a good exhaust builder here who has the necessary parts in stock. It seems that around here, stainless steel exhausts are only for young lads with loud cars and big budgets :(

The Remus muffler is claimed to fit all Espace 3's, which I don't understand, as the size of the muffler itself depends on the engine type, and rear overhang is different for the Grand and short Espace. So even if it's a big company making quality products (and price is not that bad), I'm not sure about it. And for some reason they don't have a middle muffler available, which to me indicates that the product is more about style than quality. I wouldn't mind paying more for a good looking product, but this doesn't make sense to me.

So at the moment, I think I'll just buy a standard exhaust. As Bo found below, they can be bought rather cheaply.

But it's a pity really, since a mild steel exhaust can only be expected to last 3-4 years in the Danish climate...

/Anders


Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: Anders Dinsen on November 08, 2009, 08:28:13 am
It seems I was wrong: The rear overhang on the Grand and short Espace is actually the same. That does put a bit in favour of the Remus, but only if I can find stainless components for the rest - and find someone to build it.



Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: Martin Tyas on November 13, 2009, 12:05:47 pm
[ So I had one made to fit in a few hours, from stainless steel at two thirds the cost, and it has a life time guarantee!

So where did you get yours made Roy if you don't mind me asking?

My 7 year old JE0K is still on the original exhaust manufactured by Eberspächer but I recently found a small hole in the welded joint to the rear of the centre silencer. I filled it with weld OK but obviously need to have an eye on potential replacement and Grand Espace exhaust systems don't appear to be readily available in the after market and will in any case be the usual mild steel made to a price and not to last.

Martin


Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: Trolkar on January 11, 2010, 08:47:44 am
Any news? - Any new exhaust?


Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: Anders Dinsen on January 11, 2010, 09:15:09 am
No news yet, I haven't had time to do anything... I've received an offer for a complete new exhaust including catalytic converter in SS for about 10000 DKK - not bad considering long life etc, but not cheap either, so I haven't settled on a solution yet.

/Anders


Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: TheJoker on January 11, 2010, 07:01:19 pm
It's not that difficult to make a stainless steel exhaust. You'll need a DC TIG welder and the ability to weld it, and a cutter of some sort so you can cut the bends exactly as you want them.
For materials you'll need a flange (two for the V6) cut which can be done by a waterjet or laser cutting company using the exhaust gasket as model. Then you'll need an assortment of SS pipes and SS bends, some silenceers (mufflers) and some odds and sods to hang the exhaust up and things like that.

That is if you want to save money, not time.

I've got a friend here who's specialising in making SS exhausts and other "exotic" fabrications. He's worked for Prodrive etc. Total perfectionist. :)


Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: Anders Dinsen on January 11, 2010, 07:21:34 pm
Unfortunately, I have no time! So I've got to get someone else do the work - and that costs money.

I've got a friend here who's specialising in making SS exhausts and other "exotic" fabrications. He's worked for Prodrive etc. Total perfectionist. :)

Sounds like a friend you want to keep! :)

/Anders


Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: TheJoker on January 11, 2010, 07:24:25 pm
Indeed. He's already helped me buy a TIG welder and helped me teach myself how to use it.  8)

Hope you get the exhaust sorted. :) I'm sure it would be a very nice project, should you have the time.


Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: Sparky on January 29, 2010, 07:31:34 pm
Hi all,

Must admit that I had this quandry a couple of years ago, and decided to go the full stainless route with the addition of twin exhausts. This cost was approximatley £ 350.00ish which was very favourable with what Renault were quoting, I was having no joy with the original manufactures and after market suppliers with my Espace being the Grand.
The company I used was mij performance of Walsall

(http://www.renaultforums.co.uk/_User-folders/vBulletinImg/2008/4/%7B8321F1C1-C218-4AA1-B526-C60ADF3ACF35%7D.jpeg)


Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: BrianM on February 02, 2010, 11:32:27 pm
Very nice, it would have been my choice also. Good price too. :)


Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: Anders Dinsen on February 03, 2010, 12:46:05 pm
In a perfect world... ;) Sparky, your exhaust looks very good from that end. I'd love to see underside photos :D
But... I have ordered a new mild steel exhaust. I couldn't find a new stainless exhaust for that kind of money. A new exhaust is about 2000 DKK (not original, that would have been much more expensive) and the last one lasted 3 1/2 years, så I hope this one will too.

I expect to have it next week - then just needs to get it fitted.

/Anders


Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: Sparky on February 04, 2010, 01:51:05 am
In a perfect world... ;) Sparky, your exhaust looks very good from that end. I'd love to see underside photos :D/Anders

Anders I'm sorry I've no photo of underneath at the moment. but as far as I remember, the exhaust adapts from the Cat to a small silencer (Reasonably quiet) along the original exhaust route over the rear axle. From here it tee's off and goes to both the outlets around the spare wheel carrier, where they fitted a new hanger for the new pipe.

Is this any use to you ?  http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CBAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cats-direct-shop.co.uk%2Frenault-espace-exhaust-system.php&rct=j&q=renault+espace+exhaust+v6&ei=hxlqS9mdHY2I0wS-nfmyCA&usg=AFQjCNE8DXvz6uiZeZBFVc64ff0f5D6qKQ


Title: Re: Exhaust for my Grand Espace V6 24v
Post by: Anders Dinsen on February 04, 2010, 06:53:49 am
Do post some photo when you get the chance, Sparky. It sounds like a nice design.

Thanks for the link - it seems I would have been able to buy myself a new exhaust for about 100 GBP if I was in the UK!  :o

/Anders