Title: Big bore 2.2
Post by: GP on September 05, 2010, 02:46:39 pm
Does anyone have any experience, information or thoughts on the maximum cubic capacity or dimensions a 2.2 block could be bored out to safely without imminent failure?
I am intersted in as big as possible and sourcing pistons accordingly.
Thanks,
GP
I am intersted in as big as possible and sourcing pistons accordingly.
Thanks,
GP
Title: Re: Big bore 2.2
Post by: Anders Dinsen on September 05, 2010, 03:59:17 pm
Why, Graham, oh why! Do you really NEED any more power, my friend? :P
Title: Re: Big bore 2.2
Post by: GP on September 05, 2010, 05:30:19 pm
Why, Graham, oh why! Do you really NEED any more power, my friend? :P
Anders you haven't seen the size of my stomach have you! :D
Graham
Title: Re: Big bore 2.2
Post by: Anders Dinsen on September 05, 2010, 07:24:45 pm
Anders you haven't seen the size of my stomach have you! :D
Laughing out loud!! ;D No, I have to admit no!
Title: Re: Big bore 2.2
Post by: michaltalbot on September 07, 2010, 12:12:50 pm
Muhehe, I had the same idea some time ago ;D There is a company, which is selling forged pistons for cca 250,-Eur/set. To buy forged pistons for Murena is so expensive, so I though about to extend my cylinders and use something available. The biggest problem is that I can't remember the name of the company - their website :( ::)
I must to meet the man who told me this info before...
But I found the result in my PC:
Murena 2,2 - 91,7 x 81,6 = 2155 ccm, r = 45,85 mm
Opel Manta - 92,5 x 81,6 = 2192 ccm, r = 46,25 mm
BMW M3 2,5 - 95,8 x 81,6 = 2352 ccm, r = 47,9 mm
Subaru ??? - 98,0 x 81,6 = 2461 ccm , r = 49 mm
I think that Manta pistons will be easily available and that is the maximum bore which could be safe too...?
I must to meet the man who told me this info before...
But I found the result in my PC:
Murena 2,2 - 91,7 x 81,6 = 2155 ccm, r = 45,85 mm
Opel Manta - 92,5 x 81,6 = 2192 ccm, r = 46,25 mm
BMW M3 2,5 - 95,8 x 81,6 = 2352 ccm, r = 47,9 mm
Subaru ??? - 98,0 x 81,6 = 2461 ccm , r = 49 mm
I think that Manta pistons will be easily available and that is the maximum bore which could be safe too...?
Title: Re: Big bore 2.2
Post by: jhan on September 07, 2010, 03:44:08 pm
Look up this page; it is very good for searching new non original pistons.
You might need to make room for circlips to ensure the rod.
You might need to make room for circlips to ensure the rod.
Title: Re: Big bore 2.2
Post by: jhan on September 07, 2010, 03:45:29 pm
Maybe the link would be a good idea.
http://www.motorenteile.mahle.com/eLIZA/mahle/query/product/kolben/byParams
http://www.motorenteile.mahle.com/eLIZA/mahle/query/product/kolben/byParams
Title: Re: Big bore 2.2
Post by: LarsB on September 07, 2010, 09:56:59 pm
Take a look at this ;D
http://www.505turbo.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1327
and this
http://www.505turbo.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1742
http://www.505turbo.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1327
and this
http://www.505turbo.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1742
Title: Re: Big bore 2.2
Post by: GP on September 08, 2010, 09:22:52 am
Thanks for the feedback gents. LarsB hyperlinks are particularly interesting, which lit a 200W lightbulb in my head big time!
I think Bean is trying to create a "Stroker Engine" using the existing crank offset ground with different connecting rods to increase the stroke length and thus displacement. If so then this hyperlink below is also interesting reading. The advantages are that it is ideally suited for low revving engines giving an increase in torque, which would be perfect for the Murena engine.
http://uk.ask.com/wiki/Stroker_Kit
My one stop local engine and head shop for such a project would be:
http://www.ctmperformance.co.uk/
I shall carry on studying and investigating.
GP
I think Bean is trying to create a "Stroker Engine" using the existing crank offset ground with different connecting rods to increase the stroke length and thus displacement. If so then this hyperlink below is also interesting reading. The advantages are that it is ideally suited for low revving engines giving an increase in torque, which would be perfect for the Murena engine.
http://uk.ask.com/wiki/Stroker_Kit
My one stop local engine and head shop for such a project would be:
http://www.ctmperformance.co.uk/
I shall carry on studying and investigating.
GP
Title: Re: Big bore 2.2
Post by: krede on September 08, 2010, 12:09:23 pm
Since someone else brings up the Opel manta (I love them).
The displacement of the 4 cylinder CIH can be upped to 2800cc!!!, but by far the most usual layout is 2.4.
The displacement of the 4 cylinder CIH can be upped to 2800cc!!!, but by far the most usual layout is 2.4.
Title: Re: Big bore 2.2
Post by: macaroni on September 12, 2010, 08:26:09 pm
Anders you haven't seen the size of my stomach have you! :D
Laughing out loud!! ;D No, I have to admit no!
You haven't seen his latest car either!
Title: Re: Big bore 2.2
Post by: michaltalbot on September 23, 2010, 11:13:03 pm
I remember myself the link for pistons ;D : http://www.wiseco.cz/tab/automobily.htm (http://www.wiseco.cz/tab/automobily.htm)
