Title: bushes for trailingarm
Post by: Morten Blom on October 07, 2010, 12:09:55 pm
Hi :D
I need some new bushes for the rear trailingarms on my Murena, i kan buy them i Germany, but the price is 133 € + postage :o
My question are therefore; Does anybody know, if there is bushes, from an other car, that fits? :)
Best regards Morten Blom, Dk
I need some new bushes for the rear trailingarms on my Murena, i kan buy them i Germany, but the price is 133 € + postage :o
My question are therefore; Does anybody know, if there is bushes, from an other car, that fits? :)
Best regards Morten Blom, Dk
Title: Re: bushes for trailingarm
Post by: Oskar on October 09, 2010, 03:27:40 pm
i believe you can have them machined in POM plastic for a much cheaper price. but it will be more suspension noise... ;)
there no other car that shares these bushes as far as I can recal
there no other car that shares these bushes as far as I can recal
Title: Re: bushes for trailingarm
Post by: Oetker on October 09, 2010, 05:53:28 pm
At carjoy they are € 25.- a piece ex tax, and I don't think that it is expencive.
Title: Re: bushes for trailingarm
Post by: Morten Blom on October 11, 2010, 09:29:55 am
Hmm okay, I thought they had been used in other cars too ..
But then there is nothing else than to pay :-\
I can make them in POM, but I don't know if it will be good for the suspension..
Thanks for helping :)
Best regards Morten Blom
But then there is nothing else than to pay :-\
I can make them in POM, but I don't know if it will be good for the suspension..
Thanks for helping :)
Best regards Morten Blom
Title: Re: bushes for trailingarm
Post by: Anders Dinsen on October 11, 2010, 11:28:32 am
I can make them in POM, but I don't know if it will be good for the suspension..
GP commented on alternative materials for these bushes here:
http://www.matrasport.dk/forum/index.php/topic,1882.msg15446.html#msg15446
Title: Re: bushes for trailingarm
Post by: Bart_Maztra on October 11, 2010, 09:29:27 pm
Make your own polyurethane bushes.
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/matramurena/polybus.jpg)
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/matramurena/polybus.jpg)
Title: Re: bushes for trailingarm
Post by: Anders Dinsen on October 12, 2010, 08:52:56 am
Make your own polyurethane bushes.
GP advices you NOT to try it (quote from the thread I linked below):
Quote
I am using standard matra components all round on the suspension. I once fitted solid P.T.F.E. bushes in the rear trailing arms, but found these too stiff and the rear would snap away instantly. With the Matra bushes you can feel the rear end going into oversteer and it gives you more drivability.
Title: Re: bushes for trailingarm
Post by: Morten Blom on October 12, 2010, 09:56:25 am
Hi again ;)
I've found this compound, an I think it will be good to make the bushes! ::)
Here is the datasheet:
http://www.cablejoints.co.uk/upload/3M_Scotchcast_Resin_2130.pdf
And a dealer with an okay price on the product ;D
http://www.amronintl.com/products.cfm?pageID=6478
I have a lathe in my garage so I can make the steelparts on my own, so I think I can make new bushes for a good price ;D
Out and over ;)
I've found this compound, an I think it will be good to make the bushes! ::)
Here is the datasheet:
http://www.cablejoints.co.uk/upload/3M_Scotchcast_Resin_2130.pdf
And a dealer with an okay price on the product ;D
http://www.amronintl.com/products.cfm?pageID=6478
I have a lathe in my garage so I can make the steelparts on my own, so I think I can make new bushes for a good price ;D
Out and over ;)
Title: Re: bushes for trailingarm
Post by: Oskar on October 14, 2010, 09:17:30 pm
thats Acetal and its very hard. I dont know if its comon but one of the bushes inner ring is longer so it will allow the trailing arm to flex and steer. I guess its part of the geometry to give the arm more or less to-out when you turn to get a more safe rear end. But that is with original tires and suspension.
If everything get upgraded and lower rear end I think it wont apply anymore
If everything get upgraded and lower rear end I think it wont apply anymore
Title: Re: bushes for trailingarm
Post by: Anders Dinsen on October 15, 2010, 06:01:35 am
You are correct, Oskar.
I actually think that it becomes even more important to retain the original soft rubber components with modern low profile tyres with stiffer carcass.
I'm repeating myself (or rather Graham's advice): Don't try this, stick to the original rubber bushes, or you'll quickly find your car's rear end snapping away. Unless you're sticking to old-lady driving, but who would do that in a Murena?
Matra engineers knew what they were doing when they designed the Murena.
/Anders
I actually think that it becomes even more important to retain the original soft rubber components with modern low profile tyres with stiffer carcass.
I'm repeating myself (or rather Graham's advice): Don't try this, stick to the original rubber bushes, or you'll quickly find your car's rear end snapping away. Unless you're sticking to old-lady driving, but who would do that in a Murena?
Matra engineers knew what they were doing when they designed the Murena.
/Anders
Title: Re: bushes for trailingarm
Post by: Jon Weywadt on October 15, 2010, 12:54:44 pm
Hi again ;)
I've found this compound, an I think it will be good to make the bushes! ::)
I've found this compound, an I think it will be good to make the bushes! ::)
Oops. Wrote my post below from my iPhone and I coud not scroll to the bottom so my text got inserted in the quote above. But now I have cut it out and pasted it below.
Unless the compound has the same "shore" value as the original, i would not use it.
A different value changes the stiffnes and range of flex, thus changing the geometry of the suspension under load.
As Anders say, it is not adviced.
