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Title: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: TimS on October 10, 2012, 12:14:01 am
I wonder if anyone knows for sure which boss kits will fit a Murena?

My steering wheel is quite rotten and needs replacing. I would like to get an original wheel for completeness but generally prefer a leather one rather than the foam. I also have to replace the gear lever top which is rotten too.

I found these on eBay and wondered if it was the same fit..
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mountney-Steering-Wheel-Hub-Boss-Talbot-Avenger-Solara-Alpine-Horizon-Simca-1000-/150902035408?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item23227653d0#ht_727wt_689

I read the old posts on this and think it might work, or be useful as a base for a replacement wheel. What has anyone else gone with?


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: Oetker on October 13, 2012, 06:32:14 am

Here is mine  and OK

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Lenkrad-Nabe-Simca-Talbot-Nardi-Momo-Luisi-Raid-OMP-BBS-/360422895843?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item53eae0f0e3




Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: TimS on October 24, 2012, 09:52:13 pm
Thanks Oetker. Is it the right distance out or is the new wheel closer in?


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: Oetker on October 24, 2012, 10:10:57 pm
It is very  little closer to the dash and sometimes my nails touches the top of the dash when turning.
So I placed a 2 cm spacer and then the pinker-switch is a bit to far of, but that is getting used to.
There are not much choices  :-\


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: Oetker on October 25, 2012, 07:54:15 am
I knew I had some pics.
Really need to organize so I can find when I need them.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-UJwNjDFOvXI/UIjTRD5EHfI/AAAAAAAACEU/ikv12L2X_cQ/s800/stuur%2520001%2520%2528Custom%2529.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3BJ1knN_gIc/UIjTTmMfP9I/AAAAAAAACEY/z74OnvjJbnQ/s800/stuur%2520002%2520%2528Custom%2529.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-09ZUMojtH-s/UIjTVkareKI/AAAAAAAACEk/7ecom7MaxOo/s800/stuur%2520003%2520%2528Custom%2529.jpg)

Greetings Herman


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: GP on October 25, 2012, 11:48:56 pm
Food for thought:

D-Type NOVA 330mm dia. in leather in picture. Not an original but a variation on the theme of one. Gives a bit more room above your legs.

I did have a similar shape Sparco fitted in black suede which was great, but it eventually became worn and shiny.  See link below:

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/steering-wheels/sparco-353-steering-wheel-black-suede-330mm

P.S. If you zoom in you can see my matching leather gear knob and shape.


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: Jon Weywadt on October 26, 2012, 09:32:17 am
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P.S. If you zoom in you can see my matching leather gear knob and shape.

Is it just me,  :D or doesn't your gear knob face the wrong way? ??? Others I have seen with that shape the point is facing forward to make sure your fingers don't slip off, i.e. when you have to shift quickly during a race.


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: GP on October 26, 2012, 04:50:27 pm
Yes indeed correct. The gear lever was too far away the other way round when strapped in. So this was a compromise that suits me. Never had a problem.


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: TimS on October 28, 2012, 10:52:38 pm
Thanks all. I'm going to get a boss that gives me a choice of wheels. The six hole fit seems pretty standard to me.

Herman, thanks for the photos.


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: TimS on November 02, 2012, 06:00:18 pm
Thanks. Finally got one that is the perfect size and shape.

I need to learn how to resize images , so for now here is the link!

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/99561763/Matra/New%20Wheel.jpg


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: JL on November 02, 2012, 10:23:27 pm
Tim

FastStone Photo resizer is a free programme that you can use.

Regards
John


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: speedyK on January 31, 2013, 08:07:19 pm
My Murena had an aftermarket wheel when I bought it: an Italvolanti Indianapolis Formel (365 mm).

Apart from being a tiny little bit too close to the top of the instrument binnacle, my main problem was that it was black!
(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6922/blackzr.jpg)

This week I discovered the same wheel but in brown (brand new, still in the box) together with a matching (used) boss.

The boss has the code number 1603X
(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/4654/bossjb.jpg)

The boss is black. I did consider painting it, but don't think it is too noticeable.

Old and new
(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4381/wheelsh.jpg)

I was able to simply unbolt the old one and put the new onee on the existing boss (also 1603X).

Now it looks much better and feels lovely and new!
(http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/2025/brownhoriz.jpg)

I may connect up the horn buttons (haven't yet) but the wirring is all there
(http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/4818/rearface.jpg)

So pleased to have found this...

and the black one will go very nicely in my Beta Spider

stock
(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/4508/lanciastock.jpg)

(http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4095/lanciablack.jpg)

(when I get the right boss)

I should perhaps point out that here in Switzerland, to qualify for "Veteran" status (with the numerous advantages that offers) cars can only have periood accessories, so a modern wheel is disqualified.


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: alfafred on February 02, 2013, 10:56:25 pm
Today I made a order of a Personal Fitti 350 sude leather, + hub + spacer + Matra horn button. This setup will make the steeringwheel end up in the exact same position as the original. Have had the Fitti on some of my alfas and have always loved the grip on them. Did order from the seller on ebay that have the hub in the link above.

 :)

(http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad348/alfafred/760cbd31-c914-4949-a2c4-93f6d6c34e45_zps36a7df74.jpg)
(http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad348/alfafred/19973769-7818-40ab-a370-16cc423faaaa_zpsed0d327c.jpg)
(http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad348/alfafred/d53b6fd0-af98-41db-8686-b014fd4721a7_zps8f93c6b5.jpg)


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: Jon Weywadt on February 03, 2013, 06:30:30 pm
Is there anyone of you guys putting new steering wheels in your Murenas, Who have a brown original steering wheel with no cracks in the vinyl surface? And who want to part with it?  ;D


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: speedyK on February 03, 2013, 10:57:25 pm
^^^ I think you'll find that most brown original wheels get replaced because they have failed...

I wanted a stock wheel too and asked about getting an original brown one. I was told that the brown ones have most problems with deteriorating with age, so I doubt that many people will have good, old wheels...


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: Jon Weywadt on February 04, 2013, 09:31:25 pm
^^^ I think you'll find that most brown original wheels get replaced because they have failed...

I wanted a stock wheel too and asked about getting an original brown one. I was told that the brown ones have most problems with deteriorating with age, so I doubt that many people will have good, old wheels...
I found one in northern Sealand at a guy who was selling a 2.2 S and didn't have the original steering wheel installed. The car was too far gone for me to buy and he didn't want to sell the steering wheel by itself.  >:(

My plan "B" is to upholster the one I have with leather. When I do I will post photos of the proces. I am thinking of a way to lace it on the back side. We shall see. :D


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: Matra_Hans on February 05, 2013, 01:06:34 pm
I am considering having my original steering wheel covered with leather at this shop:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/220917035007?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Hans


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: klumzer on February 05, 2013, 05:33:32 pm
I have not taken any close shot of my steering wheel yet. If I take some, I will post them.
It looks quite good, covered with brown leather. The plastic center cap has not been covered yet. The colour of the leather is very close to the original, but you can see the difference between the cap and the wheel so it will be covered. I am thinking on an embroidered "murena" inscription on it...

Hans! Before you send your steerinng wheel, do not forget to check the clearance between the steering wheel and the plastic covers of the steering rod. Probably you have to cut some mm-s from the steering wheel, otherwise they will touch eachother after installation because of the leather thickness.

Btw. The upholsterer told me, that was one of the most difficult steering wheel shape, what he ever covered... :D

In the future I would like to buy a racing steering wheel as an alternative replacement. I am waiting for a good, cheap offer for a worn second hand one. There is some leather left what could be used for recovering. My favorite is Momo Corse 32cm dia...
Some weeks ago I saw one for about 23, but I missed it... :(


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: Jon Weywadt on February 08, 2013, 11:55:14 am
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Btw. The upholsterer told me, that was one of the most difficult steering wheel shape, what he ever covered... :D
---

Who did the leather work on your steering wheel and will he do another one. How much did he charge you?


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: northmurena on February 08, 2013, 05:51:06 pm
Btw. The upholsterer told me, that was one of the most difficult steering wheel shape, what he ever covered... Cheesy

...as a saddlemaker i can completely understand him :-)


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: klumzer on February 08, 2013, 09:35:58 pm

Who did the leather work on your steering wheel and will he do another one. How much did he charge you?


Unfortunately I cannot tell you an exact price for the steering wheel, because it was part of the total recovery of the interior. The upholstery and the repainting was arranged by a guy who is the head of a car tuner team so I do not have the contact address of the upholsterer...

But I can recommend you a steering wheel expert not far from me. Here is the link:

http://www.fellserkft.hu/

If you can read German -or Hungarian :) - you can follow the whole process in a presentation. This is a well known (even abroad) small workshop specialized in steering wheels and gear knobs. Unfortunately the prices are not updated. I have already sent them an e-mail inquiring about prices and I will post the answer.






Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: alfafred on February 09, 2013, 02:20:48 pm
The new wheel has been fitted. I like it :)

http://www.123hjemmeside.no/alfafredroger/12764761 (http://www.123hjemmeside.no/alfafredroger/12764761)


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: klumzer on February 09, 2013, 03:14:16 pm
Nice! I like it! :)


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: JV on February 10, 2013, 10:01:57 pm
Looks good.


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: klumzer on April 21, 2013, 10:49:17 pm
Here is mine  and OK

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Lenkrad-Nabe-Simca-Talbot-Nardi-Momo-Luisi-Raid-OMP-BBS-/360422895843?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item53eae0f0e3

Hi Oetker,

Do not you know the exact part number of this hub?


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: Oetker on April 21, 2013, 10:53:28 pm
As far as I know it is Nardi number S6901

Best regards


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: klumzer on April 22, 2013, 04:48:48 pm
Thanks.

I found the same number - S6901- but at Luisi. According to the Luisi catalog S6901 is ok for almost every Talbot.


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: Oetker on April 23, 2013, 03:20:23 pm
Thanks.

I found the same number - S6901- but at Luisi. According to the Luisi catalog S6901 is ok for almost every Talbot.


Yes that is right but not the very old.
Anything around 1976 and up.
For older types there is a different hub.
That can fit to, but you need to make adjustments.

Best regards Herman


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: Matra_Hans on June 10, 2013, 06:11:33 pm
Original leather steering wheel for Murena!
or actually the original steering wheel covered with leather ;-)

Hans


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: northmurena on June 10, 2013, 07:15:13 pm
as a saddlemaker i have to say: nice work


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: Matra_Hans on June 10, 2013, 08:12:14 pm
The work has been done professionaly by Onpira GmbH, in Zittau. Cost 140 Euro.

Hans


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: alfafred on May 06, 2014, 10:46:20 pm
How many Nm to fit the steeringwheel center nut?


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: Oetker on May 07, 2014, 12:08:06 am
After 2 times fastening by hand the steer came loose after a while.
Last time I did it pneumatic and no more problem.


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: alfafred on May 07, 2014, 09:39:12 pm
Thanks!
But no one with a Nm number?  :)  most secure that way.


Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: GP on May 07, 2014, 10:22:57 pm
Thanks!
But no one with a Nm number?  :)  most secure that way.


I have attached the torque values from the Steering/Lenkung section of a German Murena Manual.

"Lenkrad an Linkspindel" is the nut in question and is 55 Nm.

N.B. From my removals and refittings of the steering wheel over the years and the nut coming loose, I now first clean both threads with contact cleaner, apply Loctite 243, then tighten as hardest possible with a 1/2" drive socket set.



Title: Re: Steering wheels for Murenas
Post by: alfafred on May 07, 2014, 10:39:26 pm
Thanks GP, and to all in this forum! Always help to get! Thanks again!

 :)