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Title: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Kaiglas on November 05, 2006, 01:34:02 pm
Hi to you all,

Nice forum with lots of info, I have to say.
I'm looking for another sports car, and I am extremely tempted by the Murena.

However, will I fit into the cockpit without scraping my hair off, and looking at the windscreenframe?
Not that I am that tall, 1.90 meters, but it happened to me in various sports cars (for example, the MGF)

So, to all of you who are around 1.90 meteres, do you fit comfortably?

Thanks, Kai


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: krede on November 05, 2006, 03:39:32 pm
Im 187cm and i find the driving position rather akward.
My hair is against the roof and 1'st gear is "under my right kneecap".
That said, the roof in my car is "hanging" a bit down, and im sure it can be fixed to my satisfaction.
The gear leaver can be adjusted go make a bit more room for my legs, but im not sure it will be quite enough that i dont need to move the gear leaver assembly itself some 5-10 cm to the right.

I know for sure that Lennart is quite a bit taller then me, and that he has no problems fitting in his murena.
I think he has placed som spacers under the front of his seat to tilt it slightly backwards.

Finally, the '83 and 84 model murenas should have slightly better driver Accomodations then the earlier cars, mainly doe to a lower seat.


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Anders Dinsen on November 05, 2006, 07:34:48 pm
I find that I fit very well in a Murena, I'm about 185 tall.

Footwear makes a difference for me as I have found that I prefer driving in a pair of old trekking shoes I have as they have low sole and are small on the foot - I haven't tried using real racing shoes, but I suspect that will be even better. As Krede's Murena, mine is also origianlly a Belgian with the gear lever on the left side of the choke and where it can occasionally feel like it sits under my knee. It doesn't, and while I haven't actually seen Krede in his car, I doubt if it really does on him too ;)

Inclination on the seat back makes a difference for me - but even with it comfortably inclined where my head fits well under the roof (and the lining on mine is well attached all over), I don't feel my arms stretched at all. I am also very comfortable and feel I can do long jurneys (but I haven't yet tried it). One thing I would like it to have was a higher headrest, but that is not a comfort issue, only safety.

But fit is always a personal issue - my wife will never fit my Murena for example. She has her own Matra, though ;)

- Anders 8)


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Will Falconer on November 05, 2006, 08:55:25 pm
At 1.95m I'm probably on the extreme end of Murena fitment.

I need to adjust 80-82 seats by raising the front on the locknuts and lowering the back, preferably by shortening the brackets. But 83 cars have better seats and are fine by me.

But I do have a problem with Belgian gear levers - why oh why are they like that?

What makes a Murena different from most sports cars is the lateral space. There is a room for the driver to alter position a little. I used to do a particular 700km day trip in my father's Corvette.  Super cruiser on UK motorways but you are squashed into a very tight space next to the tranmission tunnel.


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: macaroni on November 05, 2006, 10:13:40 pm
I'm 6'2", not sure what it is in metric, about 2m I think. I just about fit. My headlining is drooping and I've had to stick a drawing pin above my head to make a kind of tent!

Once installed I am very comfortable though.

Today I went shopping with my 2 boys, bought a weeks worth of shopping and a new microwave oven that all went in the boot. Try that in a modern day MR2!!

When I came back to the car in the car park, there was a little crowd forming around it.


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Will Falconer on November 05, 2006, 10:22:22 pm
I'm 6'2", not sure what it is in metric, about 2m I think.

No, your'e only 1.90m Macaroni!


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Artur on November 06, 2006, 10:12:23 am
Somebody do a photoshoot session how do you fit in the car,
this will cover all questions ;)


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Anders Dinsen on November 06, 2006, 10:32:29 am
Somebody do a photoshoot session how do you fit in the car,
this will cover all questions ;)

Excellent idea, let me start with this:


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: krede on November 06, 2006, 08:10:14 pm
And I too, shall take up the challenge ...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/krede/murena007.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/krede/murena004.jpg)

Note the above avarage sized beer belly... thus the tight fit in the seat  :D
But still the Murena manage to put a big grin on my face..  ;D
Pics taken this august when I brought the car home from the uk


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Kaiglas on November 06, 2006, 10:43:50 pm
Thanks a lot guys!

So i do fit in (no beer belly). Good to know. 
Well, then it's up now to deciding wether to keep the old car or buy a Murena. Tough choice!   :-\ :-\ :-\

BTW: what is a Belgian gear lever? ???

Adios, Kai


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Lennart Sorth on November 06, 2006, 11:44:25 pm
I am 194 cm and fits fine ... My car is a 1983, with the lower seat mounting.

Will Falconer gave me the good idea of lifting the front of the seat slightly, which makes your legs rest comfortably, even if they are a bit more bent than on those sub-190 midgets :-)

I have the seat reclined a bit more than most people, which actually gives me a relaxed position and a whole hands-width of space above my head.

I had the sunroof removed, and new roof lining fitted, which combined possibly gave me a extra centimeter or more. Everything counts :)

The only thing I'd really love was if I could add another headrest on top of the old one, to give me that extra bit of comfort and safety - as it is now, I think it will do, but having some support 10cm further up would definitely help.

I suffer from a poorly back, but in fact the Murena is the best of my cars to be in (Espace JE, Peugeot 106 are the others)


Photoshoot of how to fit .. reminded me of this series I took of a race-prepared DJet, and another 194cm driver :-)
http://www.matrasport.dk/Cars/DJet/Gallery1/Erik.Jensby/Med/dsc_2262-64h.html
now THAT is a tight fit ! :-)

/Lennart


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Will Falconer on November 07, 2006, 08:22:31 am
No one has ever come up with a reason for it that I'm aware of, but Murenas built for the Belgian market had the gearlever and choke positions swapped over bringing the the gearlver closer to the driver, or in my case bringing the gearlever under my right knee.

I'm sure it has something to do with those great Belgian beers or moules frites. :-\

Any Belgians out there who know the real reason


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: krede on November 07, 2006, 08:25:40 am
the new roof lining you have fittet, is that the "hard" type like on murenas an newer cars, or is it he "himmel" soft type like older cars (mantas, taunus etc) ?


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Anders Dinsen on November 07, 2006, 08:57:21 am
The only thing I'd really love was if I could add another headrest on top of the old one, to give me that extra bit of comfort and safety - as it is now, I think it will do, but having some support 10cm further up would definitely help.

If someone can find a pro who can build an extension on the drivers seat back in a way so it will still look like a "Murena seat", I'd like to know! 5 cm would make splendid difference.

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Photoshoot of how to fit .. reminded me of this series I took of a race-prepared DJet, and another 194cm driver :-)
http://www.matrasport.dk/Cars/DJet/Gallery1/Erik.Jensby/Med/dsc_2262-64h.html
now THAT is a tight fit ! :-)

The expression "putting the car on" makes excellent meaning for this guy!! :D


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Lennart Sorth on November 07, 2006, 08:42:22 pm
the new roof lining you have fittet, is that the "hard" type like on murenas an newer cars, or is it he "himmel" soft type like older cars (mantas, taunus etc) ?

erhm, doh !
tough question - not sure. Its fluffy, but with a hard -ish substance.
Its a genuine Murena headlining which MatraMagic fitted, when I got the new roof (without the leaky, unoriginal sunroof)

Will - do you know the answer to this ?


Btw - I have heard that thing about the Belgian cars having the gearlever swapped to be closer to the driver before, - but as far as I have been told, my car was originally Belgian, but it has the choke on the driverside. 
Either it doesn't cover *all* Belgian cars, ot my car wasn't really Belgian, but jst "export"  (with the glass-inserts in the extra headlight covers) ?

/Lennart


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: krede on November 07, 2006, 10:33:19 pm
Then my car is DEFENATLY of Belgian origin (I suspected it to be when i bought it.. mostly because of that wired waffel smell in the cabin.. but now I am certain  ;) !!

I always thought it was the position of the choke( either right or left of the leaver) that was the difference?


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Lennart Sorth on November 07, 2006, 11:22:22 pm
I always thought it was the position of the choke

urmm yes - and according to the story, it is.

chicken and hen - wether you regard it as the choke or gearlever that swaps places with the other, the result is the same. :-)

But I may misunderstand you ?

However, as I wrote, my car is said to be Belgian, but has the choke on the left (and the gearlever to the right, I might add :-) )

/Lennart


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: krede on November 08, 2006, 08:34:07 am
Hmmm... Rupert did say something about my car being a german model.. due to the glass covers of the extra front lights.... but how does one explain the waffel smell then??  ;D


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Anders Dinsen on November 08, 2006, 11:32:29 am
Hmmm... Rupert did say something about my car being a german model.. due to the glass covers of the extra front lights.... but how does one explain the waffel smell then??  ;D

Burning wires!!! ;D

No really.... I thought my Murena smelled of petrol inside when running.... I didn't understand as engine room was not smelly... but it was just the insulation on the ignition lock wires that was melting due to a bad contact (see Lennarts thread on fan switch which I hijacked)


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Lennart Sorth on November 08, 2006, 06:48:27 pm
... due to the glass covers of the extra front lights....

The glass inserts are often mentioned as "export" version - and possibly all the factorybuilt 'S' models had them too ?

Some countries legislation may have required lightcovers to be glass, and this may have prompted Matra to put glass-inserts on all export models. Would make sense.

I cannot imagine why some countries should have the gearlever and choke swapped, while other didn't - it would e.g. make much more sense if it was a modification Matra made from a certain date and onwards - but as far as I konow, that was not the case.

It is however a fact the both types exist. 

/Lennart


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Anders Dinsen on November 08, 2006, 07:01:12 pm
I thought maybe it was because some Belgian regulations required a bit more leg space for the passengers?


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Lennart Sorth on November 08, 2006, 07:13:51 pm
I thought maybe it was because some Belgian regulations required a bit more leg space for the passengers?

Ils sont foux, - but I wouldn't think they were THAT foux ?   :-)

/Lennart


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Will Falconer on November 08, 2006, 08:16:33 pm
I had two cars resprayed by Carjoy in the Netherlands about 15 years ago.

I sold the Colombian Blue 2.2, bought it back some years later and resold it again, but even when I last saw it 3 years ago it still had the Dutch cheese smell it gained when it was resprayed...


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: krede on November 08, 2006, 08:30:22 pm
Drove my murena to Aalborg and back today...50km..in hard rain... Rupert (the previous owner)  was right when he called it a "more-rain-a".. I have not driven it in Dk in anything but rain!!!..
Lucky for me the heat and blower motor are functioning flawlessly (and smokelessly  ;D )
However Steamy windows WAS the order of the day... especially the rear window tended to "fog up"... and the heater wire didnt seem up to the task.. though im sure it did the best it could.
Anyway...
It appear to me that my murena has a particular "bad" gear leaver position, and that much can be improved simply by ajusting the rods in the back.. I will see to this as soon as i can get the car on a lift.
Other then that, my (hard) headlining seem to arc slightly downwards right where my head is supposed to be.
If corrected I am sure even a '82 murena could comfortably accomidate even taller people then me with my 187cm.
Apart from the gearleaver (that HAS to be altered in my car) I find the driving position is quite fine!. I am sure the aftermarket "momo" steringwheel fittet to my murena has no small part in this, as it improves "thigh clearance" considerably, and the smaller diameter of the wheel is no problem due to the murenas light front end and responsive stearing.
The seats give better then expected back support, and are very nice and soft (though you get the feeling of sitting on the floor.... witch really isnt far from the truth anyway  ;D ).
 
  




Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Will Falconer on November 08, 2006, 08:40:08 pm
As Brussels is the goverment seat for the European Community I wonder if it was an EC ruling that no one else took up; perhaps to make more room for your mother-in-law in the middle seat ::)

We have new EC legislation here that says any child under 12 years old and under 1.5m tall must use a booster seat. My 6 year old son (1.35m) threw away his booster 18 months ago and does not plan to start using one again. As our police have been replaced by cameras I'm not too bothered about compliance.


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Anders Dinsen on November 08, 2006, 11:01:49 pm
Drove my murena to Aalborg and back today...50km..in hard rain... Rupert (the previous owner)  was right when he called it a "more-rain-a".. I have not driven it in Dk in anything but rain!!!..
Lucky for me the heat and blower motor are functioning flawlessly (and smokelessly  ;D )
However Steamy windows WAS the order of the day... especially the rear window tended to "fog up"... and the heater wire didnt seem up to the task.. though im sure it did the best it could.

I've got the same problem. If the carpet in the boot is just a bit wet however, when the engine starts heating, it becomes steam that fogs the rear window. Since there's no ventilation back there, there's very little the heater can do. I have a water leak which I have *not* yet fixed, but after I replaced the carpet in the boot with a rubber mat, it has improved a lot. There's still water there, but a water pit apparantly generates less steam than a damp or wet carpet (which probably has something to do with surface area of the water).

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Anyway...
It appear to me that my murena has a particular "bad" gear leaver position, and that much can be improved simply by ajusting the rods in the back.. I will see to this as soon as i can get the car on a lift.

I don't think you should need a lift. If you remove the airbox it's easily accessible from above.

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Other then that, my (hard) headlining seem to arc slightly downwards right where my head is supposed to be.
If corrected I am sure even a '82 murena could comfortably accomidate even taller people then me with my 187cm.
Apart from the gearleaver (that HAS to be altered in my car) I find the driving position is quite fine!. I am sure the aftermarket "momo" steringwheel fittet to my murena has no small part in this, as it improves "thigh clearance" considerably, and the smaller diameter of the wheel is no problem due to the murenas light front end and responsive stearing.

Obviously you are still going slow around the corners. You will begin to feel the resistance when you start going faster.

But yes, it's very light and responsive! Very nice. This reminds me about an article at MulsannesCorner about the Allard J2X prototype racer. It generated 5500 lbs of downforce at 150 mph - WITHOUT power steering. It must have required enormous overarms to run a race. Obviously designed for small winding circuits, but just imagine taking a stint around Le Mans in that...??

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The seats give better then expected back support, and are very nice and soft (though you get the feeling of sitting on the floor.... witch really isnt far from the truth anyway  ;D ).

Yes they are really good and gives a good amount of support without being difficult to get out of at all.

Not like this:
(http://www.bilmagasinet.dk/images/biltest/500px/475419.jpg)
(thanks to Bilmagasinet! - strange picture by the way with the contrasting old Skoda in the background!)


- Anders


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Artur on November 10, 2006, 11:56:19 am
http://www.matraforum.de/thread.php?threadid=2467&boardid=2&styleid=1&sid=60ff1a3a1e7e4c076843589782c46e11&sid=60ff1a3a1e7e4c076843589782c46e11
Same theme)


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: krede on November 19, 2006, 05:48:44 pm
Riiiiight...
In the name of science my uncle and I did a little experiment....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/krede/Uncle1.jpg)

A tight fit.. and not the seat for the trip to southern France... but short trips ... well....he mesure 2m 9cm... witch is a bit extreme in any case.... but please note that leg room ISN'T a problem!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/krede/uncle2.jpg)

Actually it was only the lack of headroom that prevented a perfect fit...


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Jensby on November 20, 2006, 04:17:17 pm
A little off track but as i am the happy driver that Lennart took photos of when trying to get out of the Djet i will comment too.

What do you complain about ?  ;)

You do not have a to wear a helmet and at the same time negotiate a full safety cage when entering and leaving the car. When inside the car my head is tilted sideways as the helmet is in constact contact with both roof (no headlining luxury) and the rollcage.
There is no headrest at all as a proper raceseat would mean even less space so i still have the original seat installed.
I also had to move the central part of the instrument panel to give space for my right knee and the space between the pedals, or lack of it, means that proper race shoes are the only footwear to use if you do not want to hit 2 pedals at a time.

So, if you have trouble fitting into a Murena - Dont buy a Djet  ;D

Best regards
Erik
Ps. my other car is a Fiat 500 :o


Title: Re: Do I fit in a Murena?
Post by: Lennart Sorth on November 20, 2006, 08:42:11 pm
Ps. my other car is a Fiat 500 :o
heh, yes - and I might add that Erik is about the same height as me - which is 194cm (6'4" and a bit)

But I doubt Erik would take the Djet for his commute to work.

/Lennart