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Each model => Murena => Topic started by: TELBOY on August 02, 2017, 09:59:47 am



Title: 3D PRINTING
Post by: TELBOY on August 02, 2017, 09:59:47 am
These are the spares I have:- 2 manual window mechanisms and one from a Renault 9!! The motor is in the wrong place but I am sure I can adjust as I have already done one! Are the close ups the parts you are interested in? If so I can remove and post to you for copying.
Tel


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: richard on August 06, 2017, 07:38:10 pm
yes the closeup parts i would like to try to re-create. if you or somebody else has the whole or a part of this mechanism, i would like to have it. Best is to have a boken parts so i can try to print parts and fix it. If it works i can send the part back to you


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: TELBOY on August 06, 2017, 08:40:10 pm
yes the closeup parts i would like to try to re-create. if you or somebody else has the whole or a part of this mechanism, i would like to have it. Best is to have a boken parts so i can try to print parts and fix it. If it works i can send the part back to you

Already removed and waiting to be posted. If you P.M me your address I will sent them. Anything else you can think of?


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: richard on August 06, 2017, 09:06:32 pm
not for now i think, only the gear knob cover would be nice


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: TELBOY on August 06, 2017, 09:47:40 pm
not for now i think, only the gear knob cover would be nice

Best I can do I'm afraid! will stick it in the same box


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: richard on August 06, 2017, 10:00:35 pm
super !


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: sc1962 on August 18, 2017, 03:59:17 pm
hi Richard,r u after parts to recreate with a 3d printer ??? I am due to take my car off the road in the next month and could remove the gearlever console if you wish to copy it ?? also I have a window reg.bracket ,well actually a snapped one which you could use,and also copy for me as they are a hard brittle bracker and are no longer available from anywhere I think.as iv only just come back on the site after a few years I'm still trying to find my way round it but post or pm me if youre interested.thanks steve


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: richard on August 18, 2017, 07:57:30 pm
hi, thanks fot the offer, for now i got the parts that i needed.


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: sc1962 on August 18, 2017, 08:56:04 pm
ok Richard no worries.would you be able to replicate the plastic bracket for me?? obviously for an agreed price and postage etc as I think that's the only way I'm going to get one as it seems this is not available to buy from anywhere.although my window goes up and down ok it makes a terrible brrrrr due to the worm not feeding directly into the channel, as the brackets snapped and not holding it in place

thanks

steve


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: richard on August 18, 2017, 10:59:37 pm
i am allready busy trying to make some repair part so i keep it posted here once ready


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: TELBOY on August 19, 2017, 08:48:36 pm
So......these are the 3d parts so far........NOT DONE BY ME. They include bumper end plates front and rear, hatch hinge covers ,light roses light, vacumn switch, mirror adjusters, interior light, switch housing, vent housing. I looked at doing this several months ago and would like to point out that producing these parts is immensely time consuming! Apart from scanning and programming the printing can take upto 12 hrs for each piece!!!! Remember everyone "things will happen when they happen" These are all prototypes and experimentation but what I have seen so far are amazing!!!!Richard, you're a genius!!!


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: TELBOY on August 19, 2017, 08:50:12 pm
more!!!!...........


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: richard on August 19, 2017, 08:51:49 pm
you got the package, nice !


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: richard on August 19, 2017, 09:03:52 pm
like i told, parts are now printed in ABS, PLA and PET (also posible in different colors and materials like copper, wood and conductive material). I am bussy getting my printer ready to print nylon, once i am succesful is think i can print parts that are unbreakeble. Nylon is very hygroscopic and  is printed at high temperature, i have some work to do to get that right.
Ceiling lamp is still in progress



Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: TELBOY on August 20, 2017, 01:10:54 pm
Richards rear bumper endplates fitted to EOW 1W


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: richard on August 24, 2017, 08:39:25 pm
thanks !

it seems the rubber strips on youre bumper are more flat than mine, did they use more models ?


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: roy4matra on September 02, 2017, 10:15:14 am
thanks !

it seems the rubber strips on youre bumper are more flat than mine, did they use more models ?

Those bumper rubbers are original from the look of it.  There was only one type, so if yours are different they are not original I'm afraid.  The bumper rubber was fitted over a metal former which was then pulled tight to the bumper from the rear by rivets.

Roy


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: Oetker on September 05, 2017, 07:43:30 am
Maybe the strip is mounted upside down.
Original parts.
(https://s26.postimg.org/3pq8xy91l/bcap2.jpg)
(https://s26.postimg.org/6ijghz9e1/bcap1.jpg)
(https://s26.postimg.org/sx14y7c5l/updown.jpg)

Herman


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: TELBOY on October 15, 2017, 11:11:41 am
Richard has made and sent me the front and rear end caps for review so as promised an honest review of all of them including the materials used. (Hopefully I will get this bit correct). Reviews as follows:-


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: TELBOY on October 15, 2017, 11:14:05 am
Rear bumper end plates ...not to sure what these are made of they are now slightly thicker resulting in no cracking when fitting. Good profile fit. The flex one I thought wasd particulary good offering easy fitting as it flexed around the rubber and offers durability


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: TELBOY on October 15, 2017, 11:17:54 am
front end plates are available in variouse colours red one made using PETG and the clear one using nylon. Both offer limited flexibility but are thick enough not to crack when fitted but the finish is not 100%


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: TELBOY on October 15, 2017, 11:22:43 am
This end plate is made from TPG (I thinks that's correct). Offers a very flexible cap which springs back to shape with no damage. The flex allows it to be a very good profile fit and it should absorb minor scuffs and scrapes. Very good.


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: TELBOY on October 15, 2017, 11:33:06 am
The last one...........this for me was the clear winner...I think it is made from nylon but cant be sure. It is, in my opinion, better than the original! It has a good profile has limited flexibility but does allow limited movement. This is probarbly due to the thickness of the printing as can be seen. The material mimics perfectly the original material used. The finish is outstanding it does not look like a printed part and has strength and durability. It feels stronger than the original and the colour is exactly right. I defy anyone to look at it and not believe it was not factory made. Absolutely outstanding! Not sure how much it cost in time and material to produce but a first class replacement as stated better than original.
Photos show it fitted to my spare bumper and the shadows make it look like it is not too good a fit but it is perfect. Another photo shows it beside the original for comparison.
Fantastic job Richard, When do you go into production???????


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: TELBOY on October 15, 2017, 11:51:03 am
So to sumerise My personal opinion is that I would use the flex for the rear as it is larger it gives more movement and is therefore more forgiving. It has the strength and flexibilitly to withstand minoe scrapes with no damage will not crack or break and is easay to fit. The front I would use the black ABS as it can only be described in one word....perfect.


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: richard on October 22, 2017, 02:58:13 pm
So to sumerise My personal opinion is that I would use the flex for the rear as it is larger it gives more movement and is therefore more forgiving. It has the strength and flexibilitly to withstand minoe scrapes with no damage will not crack or break and is easay to fit. The front I would use the black ABS as it can only be described in one word....perfect.

Result !
thanks, the front cap is ABS that i grinded a bit and than give a acetone fume finish, this softens the skin and melts it a bit, giving it a nice shine. The flex part is TPU (same material as cellphone bumpers) this is flexible, there are even more flexible filaments, that wont be neccecary. 'problem'  with flex is that there is no ssmoothen possebility, like there is also not with pet and nylon, layers are visible. If that is not a problem for you than it is a good choice. In my opnion the ABS back covers were also quit good, depending on the shape of the strip. I think no 2 strips are the same, so exact fit will be a problem afterall.

Richard


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: njesper on October 31, 2017, 05:03:25 pm
those parts for the window mechanism? How did that come out? Did the 3d printed version work as good as the original?

Best, Jesper


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: Jon Weywadt on October 31, 2017, 05:18:01 pm
Richard,
Can you shrink, and repost this photo.
It makes the whole post hard to read.


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: richard on November 08, 2017, 09:51:00 am
Richard,
Can you shrink, and repost this photo.
It makes the whole post hard to read.

Hi, i did not post this big photo, please ask TelBoy


Title: Re: 3D PRINTING
Post by: richard on November 08, 2017, 09:52:47 am
those parts for the window mechanism? How did that come out? Did the 3d printed version work as good as the original?

Best, Jesper

hi, i did not go any further on that. if you could use some, i can start trying to create them. I need people who can test the printed parts for usability.