Title: murena 2.2 shocks
Post by: steve1962 on December 18, 2007, 05:59:20 pm
hi everybody,this is my first post as a i am a new member.bought a murena 2 mths ago as a resto project and am in the process of restoring it.could anybody recommend a set of shocks for this car ?? is there a set from other vehicles that will fit ?? and the same for anti-roll bar bushes ??? :-\ :-\
Title: Re: murena 2.2 shocks
Post by: Anders Dinsen on December 18, 2007, 08:51:13 pm
Hi Steve, welcome to the forum and congratulations on your purchase.
People have different opinions on shocks for the Murena, and Koni seems to have the best brand name. But I think you'll be happy with a set of standard shocks. The Koni's are adjustable, but as far as I know only in order to match different cars and/or to change the damping rate as the shocks wear. The originals were made by Alinquant, I think, but other makes are available too. If you ask one of our parts suppliers, I'm sure they can help you, and this site has a list: http://www.matrasport.info/pointers.html#spares
There are no other vehicles' shocks that will fit - the front shocks from cars like Simca 1100 and Talbot Alpine will probably fit physically, but the damping rate will be completely wrong as these cars were front engined and thus much heavier at the front than the Murena. Rear shocks are unique too, and different between 1.6 and 2.2.
The spare parts suppliers can also help you with anti roll bar bushes.
Cheers,
Anders
People have different opinions on shocks for the Murena, and Koni seems to have the best brand name. But I think you'll be happy with a set of standard shocks. The Koni's are adjustable, but as far as I know only in order to match different cars and/or to change the damping rate as the shocks wear. The originals were made by Alinquant, I think, but other makes are available too. If you ask one of our parts suppliers, I'm sure they can help you, and this site has a list: http://www.matrasport.info/pointers.html#spares
There are no other vehicles' shocks that will fit - the front shocks from cars like Simca 1100 and Talbot Alpine will probably fit physically, but the damping rate will be completely wrong as these cars were front engined and thus much heavier at the front than the Murena. Rear shocks are unique too, and different between 1.6 and 2.2.
The spare parts suppliers can also help you with anti roll bar bushes.
Cheers,
Anders
Title: Re: murena 2.2 shocks
Post by: phil75 on December 19, 2007, 10:18:49 am
Welcome
for the shocks : http://www.hbpiecesauto.com/old/ (website in construction)
it have just received shock absorbers for murena (1.6 & 2.2) but the quantity is very limited
their new address (they moved this summer) :
HB Pièces Auto
41, Boulevard Gallieni
95100 Argenteuil
FRANCE
unchanged phone number and faxes
for the shocks : http://www.hbpiecesauto.com/old/ (website in construction)
it have just received shock absorbers for murena (1.6 & 2.2) but the quantity is very limited
their new address (they moved this summer) :
HB Pièces Auto
41, Boulevard Gallieni
95100 Argenteuil
FRANCE
unchanged phone number and faxes
Title: Re: murena 2.2 shocks
Post by: steve1962 on December 20, 2007, 04:49:35 pm
thanx anders,not looking to spend a fortune on these as the car has so many other little expensive probs to sort out !!!have just fitted ss water pipes to cure the overheat,also an alternator and battery,but need to attend to the earthing points i think.do you know where these are ???? having said that the car is now drivable and its a car that you want to get in and drive fast !!!! i must say,its sort of taking over my life,time and bank acc !
Title: Re: murena 2.2 shocks
Post by: Anders Dinsen on December 22, 2007, 08:19:21 am
thanx anders,not looking to spend a fortune on these as the car has so many other little expensive probs to sort out !!!have just fitted ss water pipes to cure the overheat,also an alternator and battery,but need to attend to the earthing points i think.do you know where these are ???? having said that the car is now drivable and its a car that you want to get in and drive fast !!!! i must say,its sort of taking over my life,time and bank acc !
:D
Glad to hear you like the car! I also find my Murena quite 'addictive' - perhaps even meditative! - to drive. I keep a wish list of purchases for it so it won't drain my bank account (which I share with my wife!) all at once, but somehow the list tends to grow faster than it shrinks ???
Title: Re: murena 2.2 shocks
Post by: steve1962 on December 22, 2007, 09:51:36 pm
just been looking at possible replacements from other sports cars anders.
triunph tr7 shocks,standard 20 gbp each,total cost 80 gbp,ok providing they fit,i certainly think theyd be strong enuff
steve ;D
triunph tr7 shocks,standard 20 gbp each,total cost 80 gbp,ok providing they fit,i certainly think theyd be strong enuff
steve ;D
Title: Re: murena 2.2 shocks
Post by: Anders Dinsen on December 23, 2007, 09:05:40 am
Hi Steve
I would be surprised if they would work well on the Murena. Last time I checked the TR7 was front engined, i.e. significantly heavier at the front than the Murena. Further, the shocks are designed to keep the tyres safely on the ground during braking (together with the springs) where the load is shifted towards the front, and the damping rate on the shocks is tuned to achieve the shortest possible braking distance. Since the load shift on the mid-englied Murena is significanlty lower than on the TR7, I'd be surprised if the damping rates would match. On the other hand, I don't know the specifications for the Murena shocks, nor on the TR7's, so they just might match, I just don't think so, and unless you could get the spec's on both, I wouldn't recommend experimenting with this particular component ;)
Cheers,
Anders
I would be surprised if they would work well on the Murena. Last time I checked the TR7 was front engined, i.e. significantly heavier at the front than the Murena. Further, the shocks are designed to keep the tyres safely on the ground during braking (together with the springs) where the load is shifted towards the front, and the damping rate on the shocks is tuned to achieve the shortest possible braking distance. Since the load shift on the mid-englied Murena is significanlty lower than on the TR7, I'd be surprised if the damping rates would match. On the other hand, I don't know the specifications for the Murena shocks, nor on the TR7's, so they just might match, I just don't think so, and unless you could get the spec's on both, I wouldn't recommend experimenting with this particular component ;)
Cheers,
Anders
Title: Re: murena 2.2 shocks
Post by: michaltalbot on December 23, 2007, 05:47:56 pm
Attention! The biggest difference between Simca/Talbot and Murena shocks is in the rubber on the top of the shock dumper, because all Simca/Talbots (1100, 1307,1308, 1510, Solara) has the rubber backstop on the chassis near the lower arm, but Murena hasn't this one and it is supplied by rubber o-ring which is situated under the upper skirt of shock dumper. Sorry for my long explanation, but hope that you understand it ;)
Title: Re: murena 2.2 shocks
Post by: Bart_Maztra on December 23, 2007, 05:55:49 pm
Here is my current koni adventure. I never liked the koni rear shocks. They are 3 years old and fitted with standard 2.2 springs. They are much too soft to my opinion. Yes, you can adjust the damping, but only the outward move. The inward move is very soft.
I was able to buy some old koni's, which i sacrifice for sience. I opened the shocks, drained the oil and replaced it by some thicker oil. I used shell 5w forkoil.
(and a bit of fresh paint ;))
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/matramurena/pipo.jpg)
Today i tested the "new" dampers for the first time. It was a very short testdrive, because one brake caliper was not free and it start smoking of the heat! But the first impression of the shocks are very positive!
I don't know if this thicker oil is damaging the internals. We'll see
I was able to buy some old koni's, which i sacrifice for sience. I opened the shocks, drained the oil and replaced it by some thicker oil. I used shell 5w forkoil.
(and a bit of fresh paint ;))
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/matramurena/pipo.jpg)
Today i tested the "new" dampers for the first time. It was a very short testdrive, because one brake caliper was not free and it start smoking of the heat! But the first impression of the shocks are very positive!
I don't know if this thicker oil is damaging the internals. We'll see
Title: Re: murena 2.2 shocks
Post by: steve1962 on December 26, 2007, 11:53:09 am
Hi Steve
I would be surprised if they would work well on the Murena. Last time I checked the TR7 was front engined, i.e. significantly heavier at the front than the Murena. Further, the shocks are designed to keep the tyres safely on the ground during braking (together with the springs) where the load is shifted towards the front, and the damping rate on the shocks is tuned to achieve the shortest possible braking distance. Since the load shift on the mid-englied Murena is significanlty lower than on the TR7, I'd be surprised if the damping rates would match. On the other hand, I don't know the specifications for the Murena shocks, nor on the TR7's, so they just might match, I just don't think so, and unless you could get the spec's on both, I wouldn't recommend experimenting with this particular component ;)
Cheers,
Anders
yeah i know what your sayin anders,i dont know if the prob is the shoks anyway.its just bin motd so im thinking all the ball joints are ok,but its very noisy from the front,sounds like anti-roll bar bushes type noise.i shall investigate further !!!! what i was thinkin with alternative shocks is fitting front shocks from another to the rear of the murena,and rear to front ?????I would be surprised if they would work well on the Murena. Last time I checked the TR7 was front engined, i.e. significantly heavier at the front than the Murena. Further, the shocks are designed to keep the tyres safely on the ground during braking (together with the springs) where the load is shifted towards the front, and the damping rate on the shocks is tuned to achieve the shortest possible braking distance. Since the load shift on the mid-englied Murena is significanlty lower than on the TR7, I'd be surprised if the damping rates would match. On the other hand, I don't know the specifications for the Murena shocks, nor on the TR7's, so they just might match, I just don't think so, and unless you could get the spec's on both, I wouldn't recommend experimenting with this particular component ;)
Cheers,
Anders
Title: Re: murena 2.2 shocks
Post by: Anders Dinsen on December 26, 2007, 04:43:44 pm
It appears the most common source of clicking and ratteling is the brake pad springs missing or incorrectly fitted...
My car rattles from the rear brakes when winter sets in, but stops again in spring - it's part of her personality ;)
My car rattles from the rear brakes when winter sets in, but stops again in spring - it's part of her personality ;)
Title: Re: murena 2.2 shocks
Post by: steve1962 on December 26, 2007, 08:48:57 pm
It appears the most common source of clicking and ratteling is the brake pad springs missing or incorrectly fitted...
My car rattles from the rear brakes when winter sets in, but stops again in spring - it's part of her personality ;)
yeah,this is definitely a suspension related knock.gonna chk it out tomorrow anders.ill let u know what i find.got loads of bits and bobs to do.speedo cable now needs changing,spose ill have to order one of thoseMy car rattles from the rear brakes when winter sets in, but stops again in spring - it's part of her personality ;)
steve ::)
