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Title: windscreen seal
Post by: steve1962 on December 22, 2007, 10:05:59 pm
just in case anyones interested i have found a company who can supply more or less an identical windscreen surround(rubber strip) for about 7 gbp as opposed to the price of 43 gbp being quoted by certain companies/suppliers.well worth replacing at that price !!
steve :o


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: Anders Dinsen on December 23, 2007, 10:25:32 am
I'm interested, do note that the rubber extends from the rear of the car all the way around the windscreen (but is split in the middle), so it's two long pieces.

- Anders


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: hru on December 23, 2007, 11:55:52 am
Tell us, tell us..... :P

I spend a looot of money, last year at simon-auto

/Henrik


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: michaltalbot on December 23, 2007, 05:30:05 pm

I spend a looot of money, last year at simon-auto

/Henrik

 ;) who didn't - Simon's prices are absolutely crazy  ::)


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: steve1962 on December 24, 2007, 10:49:51 pm
hi everybody.i do know that the seal splits in the middle and extends over the roof,but basically this is available by the metre, you just cut it to length.theres also 3 diffrent types but ill give you all the info so you can order free samples if you wish.the closest match for the seal on the murena is  HERZIM 110

PHOENIX SUPPLIES
UNIT C1a
UFFCULME
CULLOMPTON
DEVON
EX15 3DA
ENGLAND

TEL. 01884 849294  EMAIL pheonixsupplies@hotmail.com

the code for the seal i had is HERZIM 110  its 0.50 p a metre + p&P

hope this is useful,steve


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: Lennart Sorth on December 30, 2007, 12:00:32 am

excelent info Steve

i do know that the seal splits in the middle.

Personally - given the option, I would not split the seal in the middle, but rather join it under the B-pillar covers or something.  Many windscreens are damaged by water creeping in through the seal-join - maybe accelerated by the way the seals seem to crimp over the years.

/Lennart


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: Anders Dinsen on December 30, 2007, 08:34:00 am

excelent info Steve

i do know that the seal splits in the middle.

Personally - given the option, I would not split the seal in the middle, but rather join it under the B-pillar covers or something.  Many windscreens are damaged by water creeping in through the seal-join - maybe accelerated by the way the seals seem to crimp over the years.

/Lennart

Good point! :D

My car suffers from just that problem. Rust develops under the windscreen and the moisture that gets in is clearly visible on the windscreen which has developed "white spots" all along the lower edge of it. It's due for replacement of course, but for now, I have just sealed the area all the way round with some windscreen sealant, and it works well. It keeps rain out of the car too ;)


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: Oetker on May 11, 2009, 12:08:10 pm
I couldn't find the Herxhim, but visited a caravan part supplier last month and found strip that they put in allu rails.
(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5071/p1000872medium.jpg)
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/108/p1000873medium.jpg)
It is a softer plastic/rubber, and easyly bend sidewards.
(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/1559/p1000894medium.jpg)
(http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/8945/p1000895medium.jpg)
(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/305/p1000896medium.jpg)
(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/286/p1000900medium.jpg)
(http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4092/p1000902medium.jpg)

a €5.- job and 6 ours of time :-\


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: Oskar on May 11, 2009, 12:56:35 pm
!!!  i dont even have that seal after the windscreen was renewed :o :o
no wounder it leaks like niagara   ::)


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: Oetker on May 11, 2009, 01:04:44 pm
@Oskar.

It shouldn't leak without the seal.
Did you derust/cleaned it before you got the window glued in?
Also it is important to put a etching primer on were the glue touch the iron, otherwise the glue will not have enough grip on the galvanised iron.


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: Oskar on May 11, 2009, 03:29:37 pm
I dont know. It was changed right before I got the car

now theres a sort of foam around the screen that holds water very easy. it can be pressed and water comes out...


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: Gib on June 06, 2017, 11:42:57 am
Just to bump an old thread.

Terry and I will be getting windscreens sorted in the next few months. So I thought I would try and get the trim sorted. As already found the Herzim 110 may be a good bet but hopefully the piccies below may help in the future or for people on the main land to find alternatives. The dimensions are not exact but good enough to get an alternative.
The profile is distorted so the red lines show where it should be.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo241/gengis-khan/Murena%20Windscreen%20Profile%20with%20dims_zpswmn1mcw1.jpg) (http://s380.photobucket.com/user/gengis-khan/media/Murena%20Windscreen%20Profile%20with%20dims_zpswmn1mcw1.jpg.html)

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo241/gengis-khan/Murena%20Windscreen%20profile_zps8k730kcs.jpg) (http://s380.photobucket.com/user/gengis-khan/media/Murena%20Windscreen%20profile_zps8k730kcs.jpg.html)


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: jlg on June 06, 2017, 11:57:38 pm

You may want to check this:
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/JOINT-D-ENJOLIVEUR-DE-PARE-BRISE-MATRA-MURENA-/122527668925

As far as I know the seller was the owner of HB PiŤces so should be reliable. I have not ordered from him before so cannot vouch for him.

According to the description there is enough length to cover the windscreen and the 2 small strips on the roof.

JL.


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: Gib on June 07, 2017, 09:57:48 am
Thanks for the link that looks good, expensive but there again where else can you get the correct part ( Simon , Carjoy $$$).

It also shows mine is missing the bottom leg which is measured as dim. C
How does this fit on the roof as there is no gap for it to go? Do you trim it off? I can see how it goes around the edge of the screen as there is the gap .

By expert measurement:
1. Back of the roof around to the middle bottom of the screen ~ 2.3 M. * 2
2. Across the top of the screen ~ 1.2 M

Total ~ 6M


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: Matraman on February 05, 2020, 01:22:55 pm
This is an old thread so the links have expired. Does anyone have a current good value alternative supplier for the windscreen seal? Phoenix Supplies in Devon looks the right place for this type of product, but I can't find the HERZIM 110 product.

I'm getting rainwater collecting on the parcel shelf, which I assume is getting in round the windscreen somehow. If I get a new sealing strip I assume I can pull the old strip out and fit it with the windscreen still in place. Is that right?


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: TELBOY on February 05, 2020, 08:55:53 pm
Hi Matraman.  I had a new screen fitted last year and watched  cafefully how it was done. The screen is bonded in and from my observations is more.or less.decorative. I purchased the correct strip  from France which was one long piece running from the back of the roof round  the screen and back along the other side of the roof and he cut a seperate piece for the top.of the screen. Before the  screen sealent was dry he pushed the seal into the mastic so its the masric that creats the waterproof seal not the sealing strip
There are a few photos on my blog page 11 if it helps.
Tel


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: JL on February 05, 2020, 11:29:48 pm
Hi Matraman
If water is getting in it is likely that the windscreen has come unbonded, the strip is purely a decorative trim. I re used my original trim stuck back on with double sided foam tape - if I remember correctly I cut the small upstand off the bottom of the trim.

Hope this helps.
John


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: Gib on February 06, 2020, 08:44:22 am
@ Matra Man. I have 2 sets of the seals that I ended up getting in 2018. So irrespective of the actual sealing issue (i.e it may need to be rebounded or resealed). You can buy the spare from me, once I find out how much it cost ( wasn't a lot from memory)


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: Matraman on February 06, 2020, 09:05:25 am
Thanks for the info. Iíll investigate further and find out if itís a rebonding or just resealing  job. Iíll be in touch again Gib if I need a new strip.


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: roy4matra on February 07, 2020, 12:59:05 pm
Thanks for the info. Iíll investigate further and find out if itís a rebonding or just resealing  job. Iíll be in touch again Gib if I need a new strip.

First, the windscreen was bonded in and the trim around the edge was only decorative.  So the bonding should be the waterproof seal.  However, after this many years and the constant flexing that the shell gets in use, bonding can crack and allow water in, so sometimes the screen needs to be re-bonded.  If re-bonding a screen or fitting a new one, an equal gap should be maintained all around the edge whilst the bonding sets (top, bottom and sides) for the trim to be fitted.  The original trim was 'L' shaped cross-section (see photo) and the barbed edge was inserted in the gap whilst the top was glued to the screen (it had double-sided tape for this).

Second, it it is not unknown for the metal chassis at the base of the screen to have corroded and the water leaks in through this, not past the trim and bonding.  So if this has happened, the screen needs to come out, and that area repaired before re-bonding the screen back in.

Third, there are other areas where water can get in and on to the parcel shelf.  One is the roof aerial is not sealing and just needs lifting out and some new sealant on the base before refitting.  Another is the grommet where the heater hose passes through the bulkhead into the matrix has deteriorated and is allowing water in.  Another problem can be the shield at the back of the front wheel arch can be poor or even missing as it was riveted on and since the rivets corrode, they can drop off!  Finally, when the roof panel was fitted, the edges should be sealed to the chassis rails, but again over time these can crack and leak.  The edges of the roof panel are hidden under the trims that come from the windscreen to the back of the roof ending under the top of the 'B' pillar trims.  So you may need to remove the roof trims and reseal the edges.

If you obtain and want to use the 'L' section trims that are long enough to go from the 'B' pillar trim one side forward down around the screen and back to the other 'B' pillar trim, then you have to cut the barbed arm off the underside of the trim where it fits on the roof, as these roof sections have to be flat.

When the cars were new (as mine was when I bought it) the factory fitted the roof and windscreen trims like this: There was one 'L' shaped trim that went from the top corner of the screen down around the screen and up to the top corner the other side.  There was a second 'L' shaped trim piece across the top of the screen.  Then there were two flat section trims across each side of the roof (and these were the same trim as used around the windscreen but with the barbed arm cut off.  If you removed them you could see the cut marks underneath where the arm had been sliced off!)  These were originally available as spares already cut to length, and with different part numbers.  To finish it off, there were two corner pieces (LH & RH) fitted to the top corners which hid the joints between the ends of the main trim, the top trim and the roof trims.

Unfortunately the corner trims have not been available for a long while, and I have only ever seen one other Murena with them still fitted.

Roy


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: Matraman on February 07, 2020, 05:31:34 pm
A few more areas for me to check, thanks Roy. The roof aerial is quite loose, so Iíll start there, also the heater matrix grommet has perished, so Iíll do that as well while the pipe is disconnected.


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: JV on February 08, 2020, 09:24:57 am

...Unfortunately the corner trims have not been available for a long while, and I have only ever seen one other Murena with them still fitted....


Perhaps they can be 3D-printed?


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: suffolkpete on February 08, 2020, 12:30:20 pm
I had a chip repaired on my screen some time ago, and the fitter remarked that the trim appeared to be from a Mercedes Sprinter, so perhaps that might be worth pursuing.


Title: Re: windscreen seal
Post by: murramor on February 27, 2020, 02:14:28 am

Unfortunately the corner trims have not been available for a long while, and I have only ever seen one other Murena with them still fitted.

Roy

Thanks for the picture, Roy.  I have been unhappy at the appearance of my trim join, so the picture inspired me to try to find a solution.  I bought, on eBay, a small sheet of thermoplastic called Worbla and made a rough mould by glueing a couple of pieces of spare trim on to a metal plate which was cut to mimic the angle of the windscreen edges.  I first moulded the Worbla to the approximate shape using my rough mould (I did this step because I was worried about applying too much heat from a heat gun near my paint and screen).  I then took this piece and fettled it until it was a close fit and then applied a gentle bit of heat to make it conform to the shape.