Title: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: RazorbackNOR on January 30, 2008, 10:19:10 am
So, some peple love the orginal Murena dashboard, other (like me) think it's a bit too much 80's these days. This car here i Norway, can be said to have a modified dashboard i would say....
So, does anybody else out there have any un-orginal dashboards....?
So, does anybody else out there have any un-orginal dashboards....?
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: macaroni on January 30, 2008, 01:06:45 pm
Wow, very TVR!
Mine has a SONY headunit fitted, does that count?
Mine has a SONY headunit fitted, does that count?
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: Oskar on January 30, 2008, 04:12:21 pm
ohh my god :o
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: krede on January 30, 2008, 04:33:10 pm
OOHhhhhh I can't wait to hear what Michael has to say about that!!! ;D....
But since you brought It up... I once spoke to a guy about fitting the 505 turbo engine in the murena, who had made THIS:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/krede/DCP_111.jpg)
Pretty neat if you ask me...but a complete void of originality.... so a no no in my book.. unless you are building sort of a kit car based on the murena and so is prepared to strip it of its "murena" and "Matra"badges afterwards.
I believe there are a few more pics of his car in the gallery.
Me, I once planned to fit complete set of digital instruments, as I think that would have suited the car (when I was build)...
All nice high tech, French and weird....
But in the end I opted to keep it just the way it is...... I REALLY REALLY wish they had give the Murena digital instruments... and then might have dome so if the budget had allowed for it... but it didnt.. so they gave it some instruments they had on the shelf.. and thus that is how I think it should stay.
But since you brought It up... I once spoke to a guy about fitting the 505 turbo engine in the murena, who had made THIS:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/krede/DCP_111.jpg)
Pretty neat if you ask me...but a complete void of originality.... so a no no in my book.. unless you are building sort of a kit car based on the murena and so is prepared to strip it of its "murena" and "Matra"badges afterwards.
I believe there are a few more pics of his car in the gallery.
Me, I once planned to fit complete set of digital instruments, as I think that would have suited the car (when I was build)...
All nice high tech, French and weird....
But in the end I opted to keep it just the way it is...... I REALLY REALLY wish they had give the Murena digital instruments... and then might have dome so if the budget had allowed for it... but it didnt.. so they gave it some instruments they had on the shelf.. and thus that is how I think it should stay.
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: lewisman on January 30, 2008, 05:18:23 pm
:oPerhaps if there was an Alfa V6 in the back you could almost get away with this but I don't know if I would like my murena to look like my 156 inside!
I have seen the fisrt picture before and agree it is a bit TVR-ish. I like the stitched leather on the dash top but the overall effect is not my taste.
I have seen the fisrt picture before and agree it is a bit TVR-ish. I like the stitched leather on the dash top but the overall effect is not my taste.
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: Bart_Maztra on January 30, 2008, 07:44:43 pm
It seems more like a photoshop to me.
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: lewisman on January 30, 2008, 09:06:02 pm
It seems more like a photoshop to me.
I will stick a measuring tape across both cars to see if it would physically fit but you could be right. I doubt if the Alfa instruments would work in a murena- especially the electric speedo. They only just about work in an Alfa!
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: macaroni on January 30, 2008, 09:11:51 pm
I think the Alfa one is definitely a photo-shop. Look at the centre console and how it protrudes between the seats; the leather isn't ruffled at all.
Looks great though... (runs and hides!)
Looks great though... (runs and hides!)
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: krede on January 30, 2008, 10:06:48 pm
Yep... its a photo shop.. just re read what he wrote in the letter.... (he is from Serbia so the English is bit rough)...
I had doubts myself... mainly because the steering wheel look like it fits too neatly... and there is something about the gear leaver that doesn't seem right....
It looks pretty sweet... but so does most Alfa interiors
I had doubts myself... mainly because the steering wheel look like it fits too neatly... and there is something about the gear leaver that doesn't seem right....
It looks pretty sweet... but so does most Alfa interiors
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: Lennart Sorth on January 30, 2008, 10:59:27 pm
Definitely photoshop - hard edges around most of the dash is a dead giveaway.
But the discussion is valid anyway. If the car was produced today, it would obviously get a new dash - and dreaming/imagining has never been bad for the soul. I quite like the Alfa look. (not that I would ever venture into actually doing such a conversion)
But I hate to think how difficult that Alfa-Murena would be to get into 1st or 3'rd gear (or how your knuckles would look afterwards) - the Alfa dash is from a time well after sloppy gear-changes :)
/Lennart
But the discussion is valid anyway. If the car was produced today, it would obviously get a new dash - and dreaming/imagining has never been bad for the soul. I quite like the Alfa look. (not that I would ever venture into actually doing such a conversion)
But I hate to think how difficult that Alfa-Murena would be to get into 1st or 3'rd gear (or how your knuckles would look afterwards) - the Alfa dash is from a time well after sloppy gear-changes :)
/Lennart
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: RazorbackNOR on January 31, 2008, 10:38:09 pm
Hmm.. No one has done other things than change headunit....?
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: michaltalbot on February 01, 2008, 08:41:00 am
Better, no comment. Murena IS the car from 80's! Only question - when people doesn't like it how it is looking originaly, why they bought a Murena? So, where is the problem, they can go and buy Alfa Romeo, or TVR or something else which they will like and won't be in need to destruct next survived Murena. Probably they don't have money for Alfa, TVR or Ferrari, but this is not a clever and nice way to reach them.
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: bist on February 05, 2008, 11:45:49 am
hi matrats
i personaly think that every other brand on matra stink,
but owners creativity can be worth while, if something can be better why not
want more photoshop? (http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3250/img1207xz1.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1207xz1.jpg)
dashboard must be pure sportlish, simple and efective, straight line based, like this one
anyone recognize from where it is
the one from 156 i used to have and i was curious, to use it for shapening,like starting point, but its pointless
its very bad photoshop done in few minutes just for geting sense
i personaly think that every other brand on matra stink,
but owners creativity can be worth while, if something can be better why not
want more photoshop? (http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/3250/img1207xz1.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1207xz1.jpg)
dashboard must be pure sportlish, simple and efective, straight line based, like this one
anyone recognize from where it is
the one from 156 i used to have and i was curious, to use it for shapening,like starting point, but its pointless
its very bad photoshop done in few minutes just for geting sense
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: Anders Dinsen on February 06, 2008, 07:27:56 pm
Hi Bist, and welcome to the forum!!
Murena was a crossover between a coupé and a sports car, and that shows in the styling. The handling could have justfied a more sporty look, but that was not - I'm sure - the intention of the designer. The designer was thinking comfort, and practicality, and has deliberately chosen to design the car to signal these properties. The front of the car with the popup headlights and (for the early 80's) very aerodynamic spoiler is the sporty part of the car, whereas from the rear end, the car looks large and powerful, but also pleasing and stylish.
Had the Murena been concieved as a pure sports car, it would have looked quite different. It wasn't. It was a good compromise, a car that you could actually have as your only car, and still have lots of fun in.
I don't care what people do to their Murena's, but I find the original design to be complete as it is. That includes the interior. No need to change anything!
- Anders 8)
Murena was a crossover between a coupé and a sports car, and that shows in the styling. The handling could have justfied a more sporty look, but that was not - I'm sure - the intention of the designer. The designer was thinking comfort, and practicality, and has deliberately chosen to design the car to signal these properties. The front of the car with the popup headlights and (for the early 80's) very aerodynamic spoiler is the sporty part of the car, whereas from the rear end, the car looks large and powerful, but also pleasing and stylish.
Had the Murena been concieved as a pure sports car, it would have looked quite different. It wasn't. It was a good compromise, a car that you could actually have as your only car, and still have lots of fun in.
I don't care what people do to their Murena's, but I find the original design to be complete as it is. That includes the interior. No need to change anything!
- Anders 8)
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: davidewanprice on February 06, 2008, 07:55:21 pm
I saw a replacement dash on Ebay a while agothat someone had constructed with new (Smith style) dials, it looked pretty good but ive only seen that one, wish i'd kept a phot now. I think it might have been an improvement BUT thats not to say i dont like the original.
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: michaltalbot on February 06, 2008, 09:52:51 pm
Hi Bist, and welcome to the forum!!
Murena was a crossover between a coupé and a sports car, and that shows in the styling. The handling could have justfied a more sporty look, but that was not - I'm sure - the intention of the designer. The designer was thinking comfort, and practicality, and has deliberately chosen to design the car to signal these properties. The front of the car with the popup headlights and (for the early 80's) very aerodynamic spoiler is the sporty part of the car, whereas from the rear end, the car looks large and powerful, but also pleasing and stylish.
Had the Murena been concieved as a pure sports car, it would have looked quite different. It wasn't. It was a good compromise, a car that you could actually have as your only car, and still have lots of fun in.
I don't care what people do to their Murena's, but I find the original design to be complete as it is. That includes the interior. No need to change anything!
- Anders 8)
Murena was a crossover between a coupé and a sports car, and that shows in the styling. The handling could have justfied a more sporty look, but that was not - I'm sure - the intention of the designer. The designer was thinking comfort, and practicality, and has deliberately chosen to design the car to signal these properties. The front of the car with the popup headlights and (for the early 80's) very aerodynamic spoiler is the sporty part of the car, whereas from the rear end, the car looks large and powerful, but also pleasing and stylish.
Had the Murena been concieved as a pure sports car, it would have looked quite different. It wasn't. It was a good compromise, a car that you could actually have as your only car, and still have lots of fun in.
I don't care what people do to their Murena's, but I find the original design to be complete as it is. That includes the interior. No need to change anything!
- Anders 8)
Exactly! Amen ;)
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: bist on February 07, 2008, 01:44:33 am
Thanks for nice welcome
Its about time to post something,Iv been viewing forum for few years but havent post anything
and those pics on murena/gallery1 are little outdated too.
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9205/20070902015lno3.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070902015lno3.jpg) (http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8441/20071029gp9.th.jpg) (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20071029gp9.jpg)
Its nice to hear that most of owners do realy admire matra, have appreciation, and save it in original
condition, if i were normal gay i would do that too for sure, but its stronger then me
I look criticly on everything, and what bothers me makes me sad.
Details are ruining the conception and the interior have a lot of it,all you already know,first
quality of plastics, design of central console with those levers for air is dishonourous,
very rugged cheap looking, and out of position-somehow awry framed (maybe case only with my car) but
dont take this wrong, i love my matra very very much (and would kill for her). To someone
this isnt eminent or just dont want to sees and aviods it, i cant.
I cant agree that murena is sort of coupe. Its a sports car and its looks like it, central engine,
2 or 3 seater, good aero,proper suspension sistem, weight and breaking distribution,
driver position, and undoubtedly the feeling that makes.
Between what is good compromise, do you mean that is handling that it makes it less sporty or
is comfort inside? I cant find real reason
Little work on susp, little more hp-s and it can be a serious toy.
I will be pleased to hear your critics on pics
Its about time to post something,Iv been viewing forum for few years but havent post anything
and those pics on murena/gallery1 are little outdated too.
(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/9205/20070902015lno3.th.jpg) (http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070902015lno3.jpg) (http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8441/20071029gp9.th.jpg) (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20071029gp9.jpg)
Its nice to hear that most of owners do realy admire matra, have appreciation, and save it in original
condition, if i were normal gay i would do that too for sure, but its stronger then me
I look criticly on everything, and what bothers me makes me sad.
Details are ruining the conception and the interior have a lot of it,all you already know,first
quality of plastics, design of central console with those levers for air is dishonourous,
very rugged cheap looking, and out of position-somehow awry framed (maybe case only with my car) but
dont take this wrong, i love my matra very very much (and would kill for her). To someone
this isnt eminent or just dont want to sees and aviods it, i cant.
I cant agree that murena is sort of coupe. Its a sports car and its looks like it, central engine,
2 or 3 seater, good aero,proper suspension sistem, weight and breaking distribution,
driver position, and undoubtedly the feeling that makes.
Between what is good compromise, do you mean that is handling that it makes it less sporty or
is comfort inside? I cant find real reason
Little work on susp, little more hp-s and it can be a serious toy.
I will be pleased to hear your critics on pics
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: krede on February 07, 2008, 07:32:43 am
That's a TURBO murena isn't it?...
Well.. as for criticism... I cant come up with much....
I like the colour...and the beige leather seats....
On thing I WOULD do different though, was to use a water/air Intercooler, and get rid of that cold air ducting.. :)
And again... Lennart... some sort of members gallery would be nice :)
Well.. as for criticism... I cant come up with much....
I like the colour...and the beige leather seats....
On thing I WOULD do different though, was to use a water/air Intercooler, and get rid of that cold air ducting.. :)
And again... Lennart... some sort of members gallery would be nice :)
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: RazorbackNOR on February 07, 2008, 11:34:23 am
bist, post some pics of the engine and interior to if you please ;-)
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: Anders Dinsen on February 07, 2008, 01:11:19 pm
Bist, I'm not going to criticise your car, but I'll congratulate you on the result you have achieved. You have obviously put a lot of work and dedication into your car.
For some of us, Murena is a classic. The qualitites (both positive and negative) it has are all a result of the time and place it was concieved. It's history.
The early 80's was a very different era and the Murena is a result of it's time. Just look at other cars from that time! Indeed, build quality could have been better (it's not a Por*che), but that's another important part of the story of a very small french car manufacturer struggeling to survive in the arms of a large corporation with no money. I'm amazed what they achived with the resources they had!
- Anders
For some of us, Murena is a classic. The qualitites (both positive and negative) it has are all a result of the time and place it was concieved. It's history.
The early 80's was a very different era and the Murena is a result of it's time. Just look at other cars from that time! Indeed, build quality could have been better (it's not a Por*che), but that's another important part of the story of a very small french car manufacturer struggeling to survive in the arms of a large corporation with no money. I'm amazed what they achived with the resources they had!
- Anders
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: bist on February 07, 2008, 01:32:44 pm
Ok RazorbackNOR ;-)
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5073/200712071sv0.th.jpg) (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200712071sv0.jpg) (http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/149/200712072og5.th.jpg) (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200712072og5.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8999/200712073zz3.th.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200712073zz3.jpg)
And now, The colection
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/994/20061001010db2.th.jpg) (http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20061001010db2.jpg)
And after many sleepless nights
(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1705/20061002011hc4.th.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20061002011hc4.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1607/20061002012zv4.th.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20061002012zv4.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7756/20061027002fu3.th.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20061027002fu3.jpg) (http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4773/20080207hq2.th.jpg) (http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20080207hq2.jpg)
Thanks Anders, i appreciate that and agree ofcourse
(http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5073/200712071sv0.th.jpg) (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200712071sv0.jpg) (http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/149/200712072og5.th.jpg) (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200712072og5.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8999/200712073zz3.th.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=200712073zz3.jpg)
And now, The colection
(http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/994/20061001010db2.th.jpg) (http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20061001010db2.jpg)
And after many sleepless nights
(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1705/20061002011hc4.th.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20061002011hc4.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1607/20061002012zv4.th.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20061002012zv4.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7756/20061027002fu3.th.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20061027002fu3.jpg) (http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4773/20080207hq2.th.jpg) (http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20080207hq2.jpg)
Thanks Anders, i appreciate that and agree ofcourse
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: michaltalbot on February 07, 2008, 08:07:15 pm
Well, Bist, as everybody know ;D , I adore the original look, and every tuning and modification, from my point of view, means only a destruction of original Matra product, which in these times is more and more rare, but... Your work looks realy very fine, and I must to say, that the result looks balanced, clean and with sense for detail. Its much better than some Ferrari replicas. ;)
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: lewisman on February 07, 2008, 11:32:52 pm
There is always a place for evolution - as long as there are still some good originals (they are very important to keep as well). Your attention to detail and the quality of the work looks very good in the photos.
Although I like to wind Michal up occasionally when he complains about people adding switches that light up and things like that if I has a nice S murena like his I would be quite happy and I definately agree that no murena should be made to look like a pretend Ferarri or BMW ???
Although I like to wind Michal up occasionally when he complains about people adding switches that light up and things like that if I has a nice S murena like his I would be quite happy and I definately agree that no murena should be made to look like a pretend Ferarri or BMW ???
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: bist on February 08, 2008, 01:22:12 pm
Yes, those ferrari and bmw replikas are realy low punch and no respect for matra at all,
they sure havent even heard for screaming matras, pity :(
I dont think I have notable changed it, the biggest thing is down half of the front bumper
Im still driving Matra, very proudly as well
they sure havent even heard for screaming matras, pity :(
I dont think I have notable changed it, the biggest thing is down half of the front bumper
Im still driving Matra, very proudly as well
Title: Re: "Slightly" modified dashboards
Post by: RazorbackNOR on February 08, 2008, 01:54:57 pm
I think you did a nice job on the dashboard, looks slmost like it was orginal to the car. Any pics of the work and progress on making it?
