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Title: Murena manuel?
Post by: RazorbackNOR on February 08, 2008, 08:52:58 am
Is there anybody in here who is good in either french or german...? I'm considering translating the workshop manuel of the Murena, unfortunately my german and french SUCK!

However, i have a translating program, but this is FAR from perfect, so if anybody would like to contribute to the translating, read and correct the translation and so on, I would be very happy.

Regards
Per Anders


Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: Bart_Maztra on February 09, 2008, 05:30:00 pm
There is also a manual in Dutch.


Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: RazorbackNOR on February 10, 2008, 02:57:16 am
Thanks Bart, but unfortunatly im no good at dutch either, and i think the program would do the job easier with the french, but if anybody else have the manuel in german og dutch, please feel free to contact me.

Anders


Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: RazorbackNOR on February 13, 2008, 07:37:13 pm
Any help...?


Anybody....?




Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: lewisman on February 13, 2008, 09:37:01 pm
I think a lot of us would be prepared to pay for a good English translation.  Anyone know someone who would be willing to do it for us?  I was thinking that it would be a nice little earner for a language student...

10 copies @ 40 Euros = 400 Euros

or ever better

20 copies @ 30 Euros = 600 Euros ;)


Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: RazorbackNOR on February 13, 2008, 10:43:12 pm
I think a lot of us would be prepared to pay for a good English translation.  Anyone know someone who would be willing to do it for us?  I was thinking that it would be a nice little earner for a language student...

10 copies @ 40 Euros = 400 Euros

or ever better

20 copies @ 30 Euros = 600 Euros ;)

Even better, why not make one translation for a decent sum, and scan/photocopy it around...  ;D


Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: RazorbackNOR on February 13, 2008, 10:44:45 pm
So, if anybody knows a frenchman with to much time on their hand, let them know of these oppertunity.


Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: lewisman on February 13, 2008, 11:04:35 pm
Anyone in the UK know someone who is doing a French or German degree with a bit of technical knoledge?


Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: phil75 on February 14, 2008, 11:09:04 am
Is there anybody in here who is good in either french or german...? ...

Sorry : I am very good in French  ;D (I am French), but I am so very bad in English  :-[ :-\ ...that I cannot you help especially in the technical translation


Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: RazorbackNOR on February 14, 2008, 01:06:22 pm
Is there anybody in here who is good in either french or german...? ...

Sorry : I am very good in French  ;D (I am French), but I am so very bad in English  :-[ :-\ ...that I cannot you help especially in the technical translation

Perhaps you can Phil75, i'll see if i can translate som of it, send it to you, let you see what still is in french or out of context so you can try to explain it or translate it if you can, and let me finish it off so that it is understandable in english.

Does that seem like somrthing we can try, or do you know anybody else in France that would like some new experience....?


Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: phil75 on February 14, 2008, 03:01:22 pm
when you have a problem of translation requires it of me I would see whether it is possible for me to help you.

I will ask on the French forum Matra if somebody has an English technical documentation (or if he know where to find it)



Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: RazorbackNOR on February 15, 2008, 12:34:39 pm
Here is one first test of a page in the manuel.

Any thoughts...?


Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: RazorbackNOR on February 15, 2008, 12:35:48 pm
And here


Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: Spyros on February 15, 2008, 09:51:16 pm
Here is one first test of a page in the manuel.

Any thoughts...?


Some thoughs ...
First, the source of information. This page is coming from a web site put together by someone who has put a lot of effort to scan all these documents and put them online. You will not appreciate what I will say but frankly, I don't care, so don't feel the need to comment . But did  you think about contacting the man behind this web site ?
He will much probably approve or even take part to this traduction initiative. Doing it without consent and ... it's like stealing others work ...
Why does everybody think that internet is a free shop ??
 
The other issue is ... the translation.
These manuals do use lots of abreviations and only people knowing these cars and both french & english.
Just a sentence :  Put the setting lower strut AR G. And push backwards.
Well... a correct translation would be "Disconnect the lower fixation of the rear left damper and push back the damper to the rear"
Not really the same. 
To me, performing a direct translation would take less efforts than starting from our automated translation. But only if the translator knows what he is speaking about ...

Was the murena manuals translated in english ?
I don't know. I never came to any original manual in English. However, for Bagheera (my domain) I can tell you that if the manuals were published in French, some machine typed translation existed in German or Dutch (I even have several talbot manuals published in Dutch) . But strangely there were some specific manual for parts of the chassis that were ONLY published in German ... Not in French


Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: RazorbackNOR on February 15, 2008, 11:02:40 pm
Allways good to know what oyher people are meaning Spyros

first item, yes and no, I have tried to contact Pascal who has posted these pages, but to no luck. For now, it is only for myself so that I can try to handle my car since I do not speak french then english would be a better language for me. And, putting something out on the net does make it more accessible to people. especially since there where no copyright notice, no privacy claim and so on. I can only speak for my self, but if people would use something like this that I had translated, I would be hounured.

second, yes I know the translation suck, unfortunatly I know next to nothing in french and I let the program to the job. this is why I was hopeing for some help from somebody that can french.

Since it seems noone has translated it yet, perhaps this could be the start of an easier approch to working on the car since we can understand a bit more of the book.

And I hope that i do not step on anybodys pride or toes in this matter.
If so, please let me know. Especially you Pascal if you ever read this.


Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: Spyros on February 15, 2008, 11:37:56 pm
If you tried to contact him, you did the good thing. Sorry for what I said but I've seen so many people stealing the work of others that whenever I see something that's looking like that, I feel the need to speak.
 
You probably understood that French is my mother tonghe. But anyway, I can't help you. Lack of time. I wish you to succeed but believe me, you don't have to count on any gratitude for what you will do. On top of that, It's an awfull lot of work. I know what I'm speaking about : I have about completed the unpublished Bagheera  manual : everything after 1977 plus plenty of previous technical details never published by Chrysler. Nearly 400 pages. And eventualy, if you complete your work you will even see that some stupid people will think that you want to show off.

Work for yourself, not for the others. It's a waste of time.   


Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: zac on March 05, 2008, 09:54:18 pm
just catching up with things (been busy becoming a father again  ;D )

I have a English manual for the Murena which came from Matra Magic - not sure about a Electronic version but at least you could buy the Eglish manual from Will to translate....

Zac


Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: Anders Dinsen on March 05, 2008, 10:16:22 pm
just catching up with things (been busy becoming a father again  ;D )

Hooray! Congratulations :)

Cheers,
Anders (father of 4)


Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: RazorbackNOR on March 06, 2008, 11:45:09 am
just catching up with things (been busy becoming a father again  ;D )

I have a English manual for the Murena which came from Matra Magic - not sure about a Electronic version but at least you could buy the Eglish manual from Will to translate....

Zac


Hey, congratulations zac!

Was that the Workshop manuel(480++ pages) or the instruction booklet for the car (40-50pages)


Regardes

Per Anders (father of 1)


Title: Re: Murena manuel?
Post by: zac on March 11, 2008, 02:30:22 pm
that was the handbook (should have read the original post more clearly   ;D  )

Zac