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 41 
 on: June 21, 2025, 05:47:21 pm 
Started by roy4matra - Last post by roy4matra
This is a job that I just finished. Reprofiling the camshaft is not the issue, but figuring out what profile to use is.
After some research, calculating and talking to people that worked on these engines in the 70s, I settled for a camshaft profile that follows the "Simca Challenge 74" Specifications.

To what specifications will these camshafts be ground?

At this time nothing has been decided.  I am in consultation with Piper, who as a long time camshaft specialist, know how to produce a fast road cam, so I have supplied them with the Holbay specifications that were given to me at the time, and I will leave the rest to them as I trust them to know what they are doing, just as they did when producing the 3777 cams for us.  I gave them the details of what we wished for from those high performance new cams, and what they produced has been spectacular, both in power output and the sound they produce. (although I know that the exhaust has a bearing on the sound too)

I don't know what that 'Simca Challenge 74' specification is, but it sounds like a racing series engine, so do you know what the power output and details are exactly?  Obviously it would be for the Chrysler Type 180 engine but probably the 1812 or 1981cc engines as the 2156cc engine did not exist at that time.  Is it suitable as a fast road car engine cam with absolutely no other modifications required, or is it a peaky cam which needs some carburation and/or other engine changes?

Most cam manufacturers or engine tuners consider their work secret and won't release full details of their work as they are in competition with other engine tuners, so I'm surprised if you got all the profile details for that Challenge 74 cam, but well done if you did.

Have you had yours reground and it's back in your car now?  How does it perform?

If you have not had it done yet, is it already planned to do soon?

Contact me by direct email please for more on this, thanks.

Roy

 42 
 on: June 19, 2025, 03:02:50 pm 
Started by roy4matra - Last post by Murena1400
This is a job that I just finished. Reprofiling the camshaft is not the issue, but figuring out what profile to use is.
After some research, calculating and talking to people that worked on these engines in the 70s, I settled for a camshaft profile that follows the "Simca Challenge 74" Specifications.

To what specifications will these camshafts be ground?

 43 
 on: June 18, 2025, 05:17:31 pm 
Started by roy4matra - Last post by Grapes
I know there's a bunch of 2.2 owners in the Netherlands who are in some sort of a Matra sports club WhatsApp group. I never really used WhatsApp so I don't know if anyone can just join and how but you probably will find more interested parties through there as well.

 44 
 on: June 18, 2025, 10:23:41 am 
Started by roy4matra - Last post by roy4matra
Hello all, as you know the Murena 2.2 was originally fitted with the standard Tagora 2.2 engine with no performance modifications at all, and as such was not very powerful as a consequence.  The main problem was a very mild camshaft profile, which was reasonable for a heavy 4 or 5 seater saloon car, but definitely not ideal for a light mid-engined sports car!

At that time Holbay were a well known excellent engine tuning company that tended to support Rootes (and later Chrysler Europe) cars and I'm sure most of us older owners remember the fast 998cc Imps and Rapier H120 (Holbay 120 horse power) fast Rootes road cars as well as in circuit racing it was often the Holbay tuned FF and F3 cars that were the best.  So it was Holbay that produced a re-profiled fast road cam for the Type 180 engine that is in the Murena 2.2, and this gave it some much more suitable performance, without any other modifications necessary.  This re-profile was called the Tornado or the 58C profile.  Unfortunately as you know, Holbay no longer exist.

However, I have contacted Piper Cams who made the brand new 3777 high performance cams for a few of us a few years ago, to see if they would re-profile some standard cams at a much lower cost, with a similar fast road profile to those Tornado cams, and they are willing to do that.

So if any of you Murena 2.2 owners still have an original 2.2 Murena cam in good condition, and would like to increase your Murena's performance for less than half what it would cost to buy something like an 'S' cam, and also not requiring any other costly alterations, now is the time!  If they do several cams at the same time they only have to set up their equipment once and so they can offer a slightly reduced cost.  Obviously if the cam is still in the engine in the car, you will have to remove the cylinder head to remove the cam, and you will need to refurbish the rocker arm pads too, so there will be some additional costs, but the re-profiling will be in the region of £250 or less and therefore a lot lower than the normal cost of a better cam from the usual European Matra suppliers such as Politecnic, Carjoy, etc.

I currently have 4 standard cams which I will be taking when we are ready, so if anyone else wishes to join us, then let me know as soon as possible please.

Roy


 45 
 on: June 09, 2025, 03:16:37 pm 
Started by matra530 - Last post by matra530
Thanks for the pictures. Its looks good.

 46 
 on: June 08, 2025, 08:49:06 pm 
Started by matra530 - Last post by Anders Dinsen
Thank you for your feedback. It's also on the shelf at the dealer by the big river. The price is good and SKF usually still has acceptable quality. I just hope that the drive shaft boots last longer. I hate the work of changing them....

I've succeeded removing the tie rods without disurbing the adjustment nuts so that I could screw them back in... not the right way, but Roll Eyes Changing them this time was easy as I removed the rack anyway Cheesy

Here's a couple of pictures from when I fitted them. They look a little agricultural, I think Wink


 47 
 on: June 08, 2025, 11:40:00 am 
Started by matra530 - Last post by matra530
Thank you for your feedback. It's also on the shelf at the dealer by the big river. The price is good and SKF usually still has acceptable quality. I just hope that the drive shaft boots last longer. I hate the work of changing them....

 48 
 on: June 08, 2025, 08:46:32 am 
Started by matra530 - Last post by Anders Dinsen
The problem is that the original ones were made from real rubber. It's plastic now, and they don't last. I'm quite sure our favorite dealer is doing what he can to get the best quality, but I'm hearing so many people complain. It must be uphill.

I've adapted a set of these to my rack as part of my ongoing restoration project. They don't look original and interfer slightly with the chassis when fully extended, but they seem to be much tougher. I haven't actually driven the car with them yet.

https://www.autodoc.dk/skf/7614714

 49 
 on: June 07, 2025, 09:01:20 pm 
Started by matra530 - Last post by matra530
The little Murena is slowly getting better. First test drive was good. But the next defects were found. After five years, the steering gear boots are already completely rotten again. When I bought the car almost 25 years ago, it had old boots that had lasted almost 20 years. Now the new ones have gone after five years. I bought them from our favourite dealer. Are there any alternative parts? Aren't they only used on our Murenas?
The dust boot on the brake booster is also due for replacement. Has anyone ever found a replacement for this?
Many thanks for any suggestions.

 50 
 on: June 02, 2025, 02:55:21 pm 
Started by Gib - Last post by Gib
murena welch plugs by creativeq

NOT MY Picture

As pictured i need to replace a welch plug as shown in the manifold

Before going full on measuring does any one have the  correct size ? from a  quick clean its 24.4mm.
If this was in the block i just buy a 24.4 welch plug as in steel you just go, like for like. Is this the same for an Aluminium manifold ?

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