Alternative Parts

[Oetker]

OK, here we go.

First of all there are 2 different kind of seals in the Murena 2.2 pump.
You can see them in this picture.

There are pumps with ceramic seal and pumps with rubber seal.
It depends on the impeller.
The ceramic seal works in combination with a iron impeller.
The rubber seal works with a allu impeller.
You can use the rubber seal in combination with the iron impeller, but not vice versa so the rubber seal is the way to go.

The seal that can be used  comes from this firm.

http://www.meccanotecnicaumbra.com/

In there catalog this seal has type-number UGH-2.



The bearing I did not find a replacement, but I made pictures when i was busy with the job.





Measurement that made me believe it is UGH 2




So far the info I can provide.

@ David.
Maybe you can do something with it.
I mailed several firms about this, but got no reply.
They are not very interested in some loosers that can use only a few objects of there production.

[JL]

Hi Everyone

I got so fed up with my corroded crank, water pump and alternator pulleys that I decided to make a toothed belt drive kit. I have attached a few photographs.
I can now rev the engine without risk of the drive belt disintegrating or flying off the pulleys.

I have also replaced the throttle cable and my usual supplier of 1mm bowden cable was out of stock so I made a trip to the local cycle shop and found a rear brake cable for a tandem 3050mm long with Teflon coating, now fitted and very smooth.

Regards
John

[davidewanprice]

The problem is you are going to a big manufacturer, these guys don't make ones or twos, this is one of our main competitors, I'm pretty sure this is something we make and supply as standard but I don't have the details at home to compare the sizes but the table and pictures will help.

Are you saying there two different types of seals used on murena water pumps or Are you saying it comes in two pieces as mecanicals seals as standard come in two pieces, a rotary seal that spins and the other is stationary. One presses against the other making a perfect seal. Your right one face is often ceramic, most likely the other is carbon. On the scheme of things a water pump seal is low demand so these items will be nice and cheap. Less than a new pump that's for sure.

I have a waterpump and will take it to work and have it checked over properly, I may not be able sell this to you directly but we sell to distributors all of the world so I can probably tell you what and where to buy

David

[Oetker]

@ David.

The ceramic seal runs against the iron impeller, but can not be used in combination with a light metal impeller wich is used in pumps from brand Dolz.
Therefore the way to go is with the UGH-2.
It fits all pumps used in Murena 1.6 and 2.2
The bearing in all pumps is the same.

I also have somewhere type numbers and brands of pumps that are used but can't acces the info at the moment.
will do that later.

@ JL.
Great job, and it looks very good.

[Oetker]

The Manufacturers I found and made the right pumps.

Dolz typenumber T-158
Optimal AQ-1745

There are more, but this are 2 fabrics that verified made the right pump and not the one for Tagora/505.

[roy4matra]

OK, here we go.

First of all there are 2 different kind of seals in the Murena 2.2 pump.

There are pumps with ceramic seal and pumps with rubber seal.
It depends on the pulley.

I assume you mean 'impeller' not 'pulley'?

The ceramic pulley works in combination with a iron pulley.
The rubber seal works with a allu pulley.
You can use the rubber seal in combination with the iron pulley, but not vice versa so the rubber seal is the way to go.

Whilst I can understand your logic here, the ceramic type is a better seal, particularly with intermittently used classic cars.  The problem is that a rubber would stick to the metal when not used for a long period and then a tiny fraction rips off when the engine is used again.  This is mostly why the water pumps fail as quickly as they do.  If the car is used daily, they generally don't fail in years.  My water pump lasted at least twelve years as I was using the car regularly.  If the car is going to have intermittent use then the seal should be ceramic.

However, I believe the black seal in a Murena 2.2 pump is carbon not rubber.

They are not very interested in some loosers that can use only a few objects of there production.

Many years ago, I too tried to buy a batch of water pump kits so that we could overhaul them, but unless I was prepared to order something like 5,000 they weren't interested...

Roy

[Oetker]

Quote Roy.
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I assume you mean 'impeller' not 'pulley'?
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Indeed, I mean Impeller.
I will correct my post.

Quote Roy.
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the ceramic type is a better seal.
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Agreed on that one.
They only loose a drop now and then for lubrication on the ceramic seal.
It would be a better option, but not all Murena's have the iron impeller, and with tha allu one the ceramic seal can't work.

[davidewanprice]

Unfortunately this seal is a little special and not part of our range, the seal type is called a unitised seal, I may however be able to source some through my customers, we shall see.

[Oetker]

Ofcourse I measured the ceramic seal to.
Could it be a idea to source them both?



The hole is 16 mm
And what about the bearing?

[klumzer]

I asked Koni for the partnumbers of their shocks for the Murena 2.2 and they are:

Front:   80-2480
Rear:    82-2184

They stock them in the Netherlands.

Update! I just Googled the numbers, and they showed up on Roy's site, here:
http://www.matraclub.org.uk/PartNumbers.html

With a bit more experience I would have known to look at Roy's excellent site first for the answer. 




I asked the local distributor yesterday and he told me that Koni stopped producing the mentioned products.... 

[klumzer]

I found a topic about brake master cylinder and Oetker recommended an alternative Talbot cylinder.

http://www.matrasport.dk/forum/index.php/topic,2023.0.html

It is the master cylinder of Talbot Horizon. But be careful because that car use another totally different one depending on the year of production.

I bought one. Here are the details:
CIFAM
CF 202-084
17473700 (the same number what you can see on Oetker's photo)

It was only 22 Euros approx...

I hope it will fit. 

[Oetker]

According to my car partsbible this are the cars that have the same as Murena.

It is always clever to verify what you buy.
Ther is plenty of faulty information concerning documentation of the Murena.

[Oetker]

Confirmed working Lucas SFB100 from Mini/Triumph etc. for Murena.
Easy to find for little money.


They are a little slower in blinking then original, and connector does not fit perfectly, but they do fine.

See movie for the speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6pV6IL5nAY

[klumzer]

Could anyone verify or disaffirm that Renault 12 has the same front indicator as Murena?

[Oetker]

Yes they are also Alpine and R12 but there are differences in some types.
See pics in this ad.

http://link.marktplaats.nl/485964640