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« Reply #45 on: March 26, 2011, 10:35:32 pm » |
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OK, here we go. First of all there are 2 different kind of seals in the Murena 2.2 pump. You can see them in this picture. ![](http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1752/p1010955medium.jpg) There are pumps with ceramic seal and pumps with rubber seal. It depends on the impeller. The ceramic seal works in combination with a iron impeller. The rubber seal works with a allu impeller. You can use the rubber seal in combination with the iron impeller, but not vice versa so the rubber seal is the way to go. The seal that can be used comes from this firm. http://www.meccanotecnicaumbra.com/In there catalog this seal has type-number UGH-2. ![](http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/3251/wpugh2.jpg) The bearing I did not find a replacement, but I made pictures when i was busy with the job. ![](http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9488/p1010952medium.jpg) ![](http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/3945/p1020009medium.jpg) ![](http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3979/p1020008medium.jpg) ![](http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3236/p1020007medium.jpg) Measurement that made me believe it is UGH 2 ![](http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/632/p1020011medium.jpg) ![](http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3623/p1020010medium.jpg) ![](http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/103/p1020012medium.jpg) So far the info I can provide. @ David. Maybe you can do something with it. I mailed several firms about this, but got no reply. They are not very interested in some loosers that can use only a few objects of there production.
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I feel like Jonah, only my fish looks different. Murena 2.2 Red 1982. Murena 1.6 black on places.
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« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2011, 12:00:16 am » |
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The problem is you are going to a big manufacturer, these guys don't make ones or twos, this is one of our main competitors, I'm pretty sure this is something we make and supply as standard but I don't have the details at home to compare the sizes but the table and pictures will help.
Are you saying there two different types of seals used on murena water pumps or Are you saying it comes in two pieces as mecanicals seals as standard come in two pieces, a rotary seal that spins and the other is stationary. One presses against the other making a perfect seal. Your right one face is often ceramic, most likely the other is carbon. On the scheme of things a water pump seal is low demand so these items will be nice and cheap. Less than a new pump that's for sure.
I have a waterpump and will take it to work and have it checked over properly, I may not be able sell this to you directly but we sell to distributors all of the world so I can probably tell you what and where to buy
David
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« Reply #50 on: March 28, 2011, 02:07:39 pm » |
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OK, here we go.
First of all there are 2 different kind of seals in the Murena 2.2 pump.
There are pumps with ceramic seal and pumps with rubber seal. It depends on the pulley.
I assume you mean 'impeller' not 'pulley'? The ceramic pulley works in combination with a iron pulley. The rubber seal works with a allu pulley. You can use the rubber seal in combination with the iron pulley, but not vice versa so the rubber seal is the way to go.
Whilst I can understand your logic here, the ceramic type is a better seal, particularly with intermittently used classic cars. The problem is that a rubber would stick to the metal when not used for a long period and then a tiny fraction rips off when the engine is used again. This is mostly why the water pumps fail as quickly as they do. If the car is used daily, they generally don't fail in years. My water pump lasted at least twelve years as I was using the car regularly. If the car is going to have intermittent use then the seal should be ceramic. However, I believe the black seal in a Murena 2.2 pump is carbon not rubber. They are not very interested in some loosers that can use only a few objects of there production.
Many years ago, I too tried to buy a batch of water pump kits so that we could overhaul them, but unless I was prepared to order something like 5,000 they weren't interested... Roy
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« Reply #52 on: March 28, 2011, 06:43:44 pm » |
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Unfortunately this seal is a little special and not part of our range, the seal type is called a unitised seal, I may however be able to source some through my customers, we shall see.
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« Reply #55 on: June 16, 2011, 06:05:28 pm » |
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I found a topic about brake master cylinder and Oetker recommended an alternative Talbot cylinder. http://www.matrasport.dk/forum/index.php/topic,2023.0.htmlIt is the master cylinder of Talbot Horizon. But be careful because that car use another totally different one depending on the year of production. I bought one. Here are the details: CIFAM CF 202-084 17473700 (the same number what you can see on Oetker's photo) It was only 22 Euros approx... I hope it will fit. ![Smiley](http://www.matrasport.dk/forum/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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