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hru
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« on: December 21, 2007, 07:46:54 am »
Hi everybody

Has anybody tried to renovate the motor for the electric window ?
Or is the easiest to by a new ?

/Henrik
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2007, 08:53:22 am »
mmm,gotta do this myself.i have heard that its best to strip and remove all the old grease and obviously check the motor.maybe theres a chaep replacement motor that fits Huh
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2007, 09:05:33 am »
the mechanism is specific but the engine is similar to that of Renault 9

the mechanism of origin and the engine of origin are not available any more into new
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2007, 10:14:04 pm »
I had the motor apart today - see attached pictures I took on the kitchen table (where else to do main repairs :-))

The sinner is the bearing in the bottom - it was complety 'welded' to the shaft of the rotor.

Second picture it is removed.
Below in housing there is a spring/ring that locks the bearing.
I have to find to get this out, to fasten the bearing again.

/Henrik
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Anders Dinsen
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2007, 08:15:12 am »
Quote from: hru on December 21, 2007, 10:14:04 pm
I had the motor apart today - see attached pictures I took on the kitchen table (where else to do main repairs :-))

Very insteresting. Is there any space to fit a small ball bearing down there?
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2007, 07:58:09 am »
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Very insteresting. Is there any space to fit a small ball bearing down there?

Ball bearing for a window motor?... sounds a bit like "over kill" to me Wink

If you mess it up and ruin the motor (like I almost certainly would Cheesy ) I belive they are lifted straight from a Talbot Tagora... might help if you end up looking for a new one.
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2007, 10:08:21 am »
Hi Henrik, I had the same problem, and I did cut off the small end off the housing and made a new bearing off brass,
it works fine for a ½ year now.

 Smiley Finn
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2007, 10:27:08 am »
Quote from: krede on December 23, 2007, 07:58:09 am
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Very insteresting. Is there any space to fit a small ball bearing down there?

Ball bearing for a window motor?... sounds a bit like "over kill" to me Wink

But they are just a few kr... nothing compared to the cost of my labor Wink
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2007, 11:51:02 am »
Ball bearings are only for torque forces, but in this case all forces are in the axiel direction.
The weight of the window is transferred to the axel (the gearbox has no bearings for this)

There is a small plastic piece in the end of the rotor axel - this takes all the forces to outer chasis of the motor.

I have cut a little in the photos, so you can see better.
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hru
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2007, 11:53:26 am »
Quote from: FOB on December 23, 2007, 10:08:21 am
Hi Henrik, I had the same problem, and I did cut off the small end off the housing and made a new bearing off brass,
it works fine for a ½ year now.

 Smiley Finn

Hi Finn

Do you happen to have som photos ?
I might do the same here.

/Henrik
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2007, 05:35:57 pm »
And what about the Simca 1308/Talbot 1510/Solara motors??? Are the exchangeable?
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2007, 07:43:25 am »
Quote from: hru on December 23, 2007, 11:51:02 am
Ball bearings are only for torque forces, but in this case all forces are in the axiel direction.

Correct though most ball bearings can take axial forces by design.
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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2007, 06:24:41 pm »
Hello Henrik, sorry for the delay, I have no photos, but I have a simple sketch drawn with a shaking hand  Wink
hope that can be a help to you.



- Finn
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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2007, 10:24:11 pm »
Nice drawing, thanks for sharing it!

The three M3 holes are for screws pushed into the remaining part of the motor housing, I suppose. To attach the new bearing?

Simple, and probably useful to others. What will they cost a piece Wink ?

- Anders
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hru
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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2007, 08:27:37 pm »
Quote from: FOB on December 28, 2007, 06:24:41 pm
I have no photos, but I have a simple sketch drawn with a shaking hand  Wink

Hi Finn

Thanks for  the drawing !
It's a nice and easy solution, I think.

I had all parts out, except the locking ring.
To solve it, I drilled a small hole Ĝ3 in the angled side of the house.
After this, I could get the ring out and also reuse it.

see photo attached.

/Henrik
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