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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2008, 05:18:33 pm » |
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That thing is from a 1.6 gearlever. On a 1.6 you have to push the lever down to engage reverse. On the bottem of the lever is a pin which hooks under your thing when the lever is pressed and reverse engaged. Well that explains why I didn't remember having ever seen it... If you have trouble "reaching" some of the gears, I advice you to have a look under the car. Remove the rubber gaiter at the bottom end of the gear leaver, and inspect that everything is ok. The "Top hat" bush (that transfers movement from the leaver to the rod going to the rear) can be worn, or one of the "ears" in the end of the rod can have broken (this can happen if you forget the spacer that goes in with the top hat bush) If this is all right as well, Id try to adjust the shifting rod that goes transversely at the front of the gearbox. At least thats how it is on the 2.2
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2008, 09:27:33 pm » |
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Hello boys, everything sounds very known to me on my old silver 2,2 I had the same problem. Gear lever was OK, adjustable bars were without big clearance and all seems to be OK. But shifting the reverse or 1st and 2nd gear was sometimes very difficult. And where was the problem? On the gearbox, there is a small bar cca 8 cm long, fixed on the gearbox. This is a pin on which is fixed special "L" piece (at simons catalog part Nr.09037 for 2,2 or Nr.09039 + Nr.09038 for 1,6) to which are conected both adjustable bars. When you are changing gears, except of 3rd and 4th, this "L" piece is turning left and right on the pin. After all the years, there is no vaseline but some muck between pin and this special "L" piece and the concequence is, that the "L" piece is not moving fully to where it has to and it means that you have problems to shift the gears. When I demounted it and cleaned, it starts working properly. Try this before demounting the gearbox
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2008, 04:29:11 pm » |
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Hello boys, everything sounds very known to me on my old silver 2,2 I had the same problem. Gear lever was OK, adjustable bars were without big clearance and all seems to be OK. But shifting the reverse or 1st and 2nd gear was sometimes very difficult. And where was the problem? On the gearbox, there is a small bar cca 8 cm long, fixed on the gearbox. This is a pin on which is fixed special "L" piece (at simons catalog part Nr.09037 for 2,2 or Nr.09039 + Nr.09038 for 1,6) to which are conected both adjustable bars. When you are changing gears, except of 3rd and 4th, this "L" piece is turning left and right on the pin. After all the years, there is no vaseline but some muck between pin and this special "L" piece and the concequence is, that the "L" piece is not moving fully to where it has to and it means that you have problems to shift the gears. When I demounted it and cleaned, it starts working properly. Try this before demounting the gearbox I agree, Michal. That's the pivot joint, I mentioned. Labelled 'E' in this diagram:
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1982 Talbot Matra Murena 2.2 prep 142 (under restoration) 2017 BMW i3 "Charged Professional" 94Ah 2024 VW id.buzz Pro
Used to own: 2001 Renault Matra Grand Espace "The Race" V6 24v 1997 Renault Matra Espace 2.0 8V 1987 Renault Matra Espace J11 2.2
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2008, 10:56:53 pm » |
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Hi and welcome aboard, Pete. Thanks for sharing your experience.
I happened to take a look under my car this evening to check the joint of the long arm to the gear stick, and I wondered whether a problem like yours would be detectable from below or on the gearstick itself?
The biggest problem with the gearlinkage on the Murena is - IMO at least - the fact that there's a lot of joints in the linkage. Also, the long rod under the car can twist a bit, and just a few mm there will mean a lot on the top of the gearstick where you have your hand.
I think it was Matra-Hans who told us about a modification he had done on his car, fitting two springs on the A-bar on the middle of the long B-rod. I'd like to see a photo of his modification, but I think that if you fit two - pretty hard - springs going to either side fixed to a hole drilled in the A-bar in the position where it pivots and the other ends of the springs to the support brace under the engine, then that could render a good improvement. That would make the twisting of the B-rod convert better into sidewards movement of the top of the A-bar where the D-rod is fixed.
I have noticed that, on my gearbox at least, the rod going into the gearbox (C) can twist a bit from side to side. I don't know if this was the way it was designed originally, but I'll take a look at this one day because it's the source of most of the sloppyness on the sidewards movement of the stick on my car.
Now, if someone could come up with a cable driven system, then that would probably make the best possible gear change on this box. Some claim the box is to blame, but I just don't think so - the box is fine and has excellent feel on the 1-2, 3-4 movements - the problems occur in the linkage on the transversal movements of the stick.
Cheers, Anders
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Used to own: 2001 Renault Matra Grand Espace "The Race" V6 24v 1997 Renault Matra Espace 2.0 8V 1987 Renault Matra Espace J11 2.2
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2008, 08:50:43 pm » |
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tomake things clear 252104 and the rubber above it is a modification set.
My gearbox definetly doesn't have the rubber, so it could be an earlier generation. Car is a 1982 model. 2521.04 is probably worn on my gearbox. The two "JOINT torique" and "JOINT bague selec" - is that rubber O-rings? Thanks a lot! Cheers, Anders
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1982 Talbot Matra Murena 2.2 prep 142 (under restoration) 2017 BMW i3 "Charged Professional" 94Ah 2024 VW id.buzz Pro
Used to own: 2001 Renault Matra Grand Espace "The Race" V6 24v 1997 Renault Matra Espace 2.0 8V 1987 Renault Matra Espace J11 2.2
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