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davidewanprice
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« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2010, 12:28:54 am »

What colour are these? Mine should be chocolate brown but the sun destroyed the plastic so I found some replacement but they are a lighter coffee colour...
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« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2010, 10:46:32 am »

What colour are these? Mine should be chocolate brown but the sun destroyed the plastic so I found some replacement but they are a lighter coffee colour...
These were once silver/grey, until age, sunlight and cigarette smoke from the previous owner (who smoked like a chimney) turned them into grey-brownish colour.
I forgot to take note of codes on the black sun visors I fitted yesterday to replace these. If someone *really* needs to know the VAG code on those, I will take them out and write it down, but I think the codes I've given from the silver one should give enough information. If you have access to the VAG information system that is, but maybe your friendly local Volkswagen workshop will help you out.
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« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2010, 11:13:49 am »

Maybe someone could check at a VAG dealership what Volkswagen or Audi are also using these sun visors. Once again, I don't expect them to fail, but I'm very curious what car they came from.

Found it! It's a Typ 43, which means Audi 100/200 C2 from 1976-1982. Here's a picture I've found with sun visor:



Not that this will help us much, since these Audi's are even older than the Murena and were prone to rust. But maybe an Audi dealer has some old stock, or an Audi parts specialist. The sun visors are available new anyway from Simon.
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« Reply #33 on: August 20, 2010, 12:13:48 pm »

For those of you who may be looking for a new water pump for your 2.2, I have spottet this on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PEUGEOT-505-2-2-82-88-WATER-PUMP-OE-QUALITY-/120604784845?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM

It is only £40.27 and it specifically lists the Murena 2.2 and the N9T engine as compatible. The Quinton Hazel QCP1011 part costs appx 75€ in comparison.

They also have them for the 1.6, though they have always been available as far as I know.
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« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2010, 02:01:40 pm »

The Murena 2.2 waterpump is specialy made for the car.
No 505 or tagora pump wil fit
It's to long.
The Murna pump is expencive, but I found a way to fix it if it is defective.

Te water pump from the 1.6 or Peu 205 and others have the same seals and bearing and it is possible to use the parts to fix the pump.
I bought on E-bay for little money this pump.


It is a WP977, same as QCP977 from Quinton Hazel and easy to find.

I separated the seal an axle and demounted the impeller.


As you can see on the picture it is only a bit longer, but that is no problem.


I didn't cut anything of the axle and fitted it in the old 2.2 pump with some locktite.




Then I fitted the impeller.
On that side you don't need to cut of anything.


Fitted the pulley.


Then you can cut the axle right above the pulley, and the pump is ready to fit.
Hope the pics made it clear.
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« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2010, 03:37:53 pm »

The Murna pump is expencive, but I found a way to fix it if it is defective.

Brilliant!!!! The photos are excellent and very instructive! Smiley Smiley

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« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2010, 08:06:29 pm »

Just to let see the difference between a waterpump for Tagora and Murena.
The Tagora pump (QCP1011) is much higher.



Tip....If you planning to do this, use a press to get things out and a good pulley puller.
Heat the allu from the pump a little to make it a bit more easy and a precaution to not damage the bearing.
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« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2010, 12:12:01 pm »

For those of you who may be looking for a new water pump for your 2.2, I have spottet this on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PEUGEOT-505-2-2-82-88-WATER-PUMP-OE-QUALITY-/120604784845?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM

It is only £40.27 and it specifically lists the Murena 2.2 and the N9T engine as compatible. The Quinton Hazel QCP1011 part costs appx 75€ in comparison.

They also have them for the 1.6, though they have always been available as far as I know.

Well! I ordered a pump from them on ebay and they have just refunded the money in full and asked me to cancel the order. "Out of stock" they say, but they still show "more than 10 available" on their auction.

I will try Oetker's solution on a pump I found among the spares, after I had ordered the other one. I guess it was lucky they couldn't deliver and saved the money.
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« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2010, 08:39:02 am »

A replacement for the heater blower in the Murena is possible with the blower from a 1995+ Nissan Primera. It requires some modifications, so see my post, with photos, in the thread:
"Watch out for that blower switch, it could fry your car."
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« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2010, 12:08:47 pm »

The Murena distributor is on the car now for a while.

The govenor springs are shortened about 0.5 mm.
Finaly the low speed knock is gone.
A problem I was looking for some time (2 years in fact, and yes, I am deadslow).
I also changed module and ignition coil for a alternative, and made it more easy to work on.

This is for the 2.2 and does not fit the 1.6. (NB different module induction vs Hall).
The coil on the 2.2 and S has a primary resistance of 0.85 ohm.
After looking at some coils I found the GCL143 from Lucas/Uniparts the same.
This Lucas coil is in fact a Ducellier.


For the module you can use a Bosch module with the number 0227 100 123 also fitted on the 505 turbo.
It has the same connections, so the plug fits right away.

It has a extra -bobine connection for a rpm counter, not used by me, but if you need to test RPM in the engine bay it coult be useful.

I brought them together on the same plate, but changed the place it was mounted.


At the same time I renewed the wiring of the engine and got rid of the testconnector (who needs it anyway).
All wiring is now far away from any heatsources.



I changed the connector to 8 pin, so the wire for the reverselights has a place to.


I am driving around with this modification for some weeks now, and it works perfect.

Coil for sale here for pocketchange.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MINI-GCL143-GENUINE-ROVER-IGNITION-COIL-NEW-/180399798380?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2a00aa786c
Sold out, but Lucas version here.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GCL143-DLB198-LUCAS-MINI-IGNITION-COIL-ELECTRONIC-HIGH-ENERGY-/120782026309?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1c1f2b7645


Module for sale here around €15.- incl shipment.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120434298034&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT


« Last Edit: April 01, 2012, 10:18:35 am by Oetker » Logged

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« Reply #40 on: March 22, 2011, 09:57:28 pm »

The Murena distributor is on the car now for a while.

The govenor springs are shortened about 0.5 mm.
Finaly the low speed knock is gone.

Hello, what do You mean the govenor springs? I couldn't find it in vocabulary and don't know what does it mean, thank You Wink
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« Reply #41 on: March 22, 2011, 10:18:55 pm »



I made a spelling mistake, it is governor and not govenor.
Better word for it is centrifugal springs.
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« Reply #42 on: March 23, 2011, 08:37:13 am »

Nice work, Oetker.  Grin
Replacing old wires is on my "to-do" list and your work inspires to make it happen soon.
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davidewanprice
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« Reply #43 on: March 26, 2011, 10:28:27 am »

Poking at the pictures of the water pump, surely the only parts the deteriate are the bearing and the mechanical seal, I think I can help with this as this is my business! And for that matter most of our customers sell bearings so if I can have all rhe measurements you wouldn't need to go to the expence of buying a full new pump for a 505 and then having to strip it and rebuild on the murena shaft?
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« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2011, 10:40:56 am »

In my search for this I found out where the seals are made and had numbers and sizes of them.
It is pretty universal, but the firms I mailed didn't want to help a simple soul like me.
At the moment I mailed under a alias and needed 10.000 pieces they were very interested. Undecided
I have little time today because a fellow member comes for a repair.
This evening I will sort out my administration to find out where I left the info.
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I feel like Jonah, only my fish looks different.
Murena 2.2 Red 1982. Murena 1.6 black on places.
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