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Waldo
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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2008, 12:57:20 pm »

He might... but that will be of pure envy  Wink
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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2008, 07:38:12 pm »

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He might... but that will be of pure envy
Especially considering that the Diesels will probably be beating everybody at Le Mans from now on Wink
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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2008, 10:27:21 pm »

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He might... but that will be of pure envy
Especially considering that the Diesels will probably be beating everybody at Le Mans from now on Wink

That is another catastrophe for true classic car lovers, just look on youtube on one of those videos of Matra on the circuit and listen that sound... that is better than good sex Wink and the sound of the engine is one thing of all which make it perfect.
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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2008, 11:48:13 pm »

Oh my god! Diesel engine in Matra Murena  Embarrassed Phillipe Guedon is turning upside down in his grave  Embarrassed

Oh my god!  Shocked Nobody told me that he passed away ...  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2008, 01:34:17 am »

Good to have you back Michal (sorry to hear about your marital difficulties).

If Matra were still making sportscars they would have discovered turbo diesels long ago! My 5-cylinder, 20 valve ,2.4 Alfa jtd has 200 bhp and even makes a lovely noise!  Still hard to beat a high output petrol engine at full chat but at nearly £1.40/litre (Sterling not Euros) an everyday car for me needs to be getting at least 40mpg Sad
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« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2008, 01:43:08 pm »

Oh my god! Diesel engine in Matra Murena  Embarrassed Phillipe Guedon is turning upside down in his grave  Embarrassed

Oh my god!  Shocked Nobody told me that he passed away ...  Roll Eyes

He can Wink there is a lot of TDi, CDi, DTi, TDTi, D4Di, TDFu-ckDi, which are faster than my Murena, but Matra Passion is not about top speed, it's about feeling, enthusiasm, sound and awareness of all the history of 70ties and 80ties. When I sit into my Murena from my daily driver (Octavia II 2,0 TDi) and start the engine - WOW it's SOMETHING! Murena with black smoke from exhaust and knock-knock-knock engine is not a Matra for more...

But of course, everybody can do what he wants with his car - put there 2 gipsies into the engine bay to run absolutely ecologically  Wink
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« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2008, 01:55:52 pm »

Diesels CAN be made to make a nice sound!.
Take my old "company" car for instance........had  37 litre V10 MTU engine...made a bloody AWESOME sound!.... Grin
Of cause it used 3½ litres/Km (with economical driving) so, its not what I'd recommend as a daily driver.Wink

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« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2008, 02:36:31 pm »

Take my old "company" car for instance........had  37 litre V10 MTU engine...made a bloody AWESOME sound!.... Grin

I'm laughing my a.... to pieces! Cheesy
And I'm getting a strange picture in my mind of a carbon fibre bodied version of it roaring down the mulsanne straight on le mans! "Oups, was that the leading Audi, or just a speed bump?" Grin
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« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2008, 02:47:47 pm »

Diesels CAN be made to make a nice sound!.
Take my old "company" car for instance........had  37 litre V10 MTU engine...made a bloody AWESOME sound!.... Grin
Of cause it used 3½ litres/Km (with economical driving) so, its not what I'd recommend as a daily driver.Wink



Well, we can just wait till somebody will try to use it in Murena  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2008, 06:48:07 pm »

Oh my god! Diesel engine in Matra Murena  Embarrassed Phillipe Guedon is turning upside down in his grave  Embarrassed

Oh my god!  Shocked Nobody told me that he passed away ...  Roll Eyes

He can Wink there is a lot of TDi, CDi, DTi, TDTi, D4Di, TDFu-ckDi, which are faster than my Murena, but Matra Passion is not about top speed, it's about feeling, enthusiasm, sound and awareness of all the history of 70ties and 80ties. When I sit into my Murena from my daily driver (Octavia II 2,0 TDi) and start the engine - WOW it's SOMETHING! Murena with black smoke from exhaust and knock-knock-knock engine is not a Matra for more...

But of course, everybody can do what he wants with his car - put there 2 gipsies into the engine bay to run absolutely ecologically  Wink

Don't take me for what I didn't say, Michal.

If you want to know it, here it is
I don't care about this experimentation and diesel versus fuel versus lpg versus biogaz that you will produce 
Driving daily a HDi (now 220.000 km) and knowing all the electricity ghost that can exist even with the standard circuit (just for the fun, when new, after driving 5 km my car refused to restart. It needed 3 changes of the camshaft position sensor before the issue was finaly solved ) I believe it's far from a good choice.
But it's the choice of the owner, which is doing a lot of work and decided not to cut into the chassis
And ... soon or later, turning to other power sources will be mandatory if we will want to use our Matras.

What I was about is that you pushed a bit too quickly somebody alive into his grave...
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Diesel power :o)


« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2008, 09:01:23 pm »

Hi Micael and Spyros,

I knew the HDI engine would make some people think that I'm ruining a great car...
To be honest I don't really care, I have my reasons and that's enough for me!

That being said I'm doing a conversion that can be taken back to original, as I see the Murena as a future classic  Grin

I want the car to be my daily drive, and the Murena is an interesting car that should be good for this (galvanized, simpel suspension aso), although the engine isn't up for the job in my opinion... Loud, low power and very unreliable!
The HDI is a very solid engine, and I don't share Spyros' opinion on the electrical circuit... Yes you need to know what you are working at, but these engines are easy to tune, very inexpensive and can be found easy used... also parts are very easy to pick up at breakers.

I guess to have 320Nm/140BHP that should be good for 200,000km without much attention.

I'm looking at my project as a way to make an interesting and great car even better for my specific use... And also I've allways enjoyed modifying things and prove people wrong when saying it can't be done!

By the way, managed to get a charge cooler in the UK at a fair price. It's beeing installed together with the engine now, so I don't have to do the air pipes twice...
It's orig. for a Ford Escort Cosworth Turbo and seems to fit the engine bay of the Murena perfect  Wink
I'll post some pictures later this week...
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« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2008, 10:36:27 pm »

The HDI is a very solid engine, and I don't share Spyros' opinion on the electrical circuit... Yes you need to know what you are working at, but these engines are easy to tune, very inexpensive and can be found easy used... also parts are very easy to pick up at breakers.

I guess to have 320Nm/140BHP that should be good for 200,000km without much attention.
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For 140 Pk and reliability you need to think about a 2.2 HDI.
But, have you heard about the damper puley issue ?
Have you heard about the "special clutch" ?
Have you heard about the EGR valve that is far from simple to disconnect without generating another electric alarm that will lock the engine. ?
Have you seen the tar that you can remove from this EGR valve that will strangle your admission ?
Have you heard about these marvlous exhaust that rust and snap at the welding (impossible to repair)
Did you think that even the 110 pk engines needs a heat exchanger and that a heat exchanger need a lot of fresh air that you will NOT get in the engine bay ?
Did you see that the good breakers will try to get ALL the peripherics up to the contact key because when this is not recognized you get plenty of electrical issues ?
Have you heard about the fact that some of them have a very very problematic Siemens fule pump (Bosch is no issue) ?
Did you hear about all the HDI who stops because of a bad electrical contact "somewhere" ..
Or Lock themselves in "safe" mode, so that you can drive at 1500 rpm maximum
Or do it when the engine is at temperature ?
Have you heard people being told that there is "a problem" with the injectors and that all the system needs to be replaced at a cost more expensive than their car value ?µ
Have you heard about new precharge pump that don't provide enough presure ?

There a LOTS of issues with these engines and 200.000 km without much attention, forget about it. Never !
When with the 1300 , 1440 , 1590 cc Matra engine, 300.000 km are possible, most of these HDI don't get to that milleage.

Last issues in February this year : Engine stop while driving. Not able to diagnose the possible cause, several Citroen diagnostics. The only wrong thing discovered was a pre heating plugs control box. Can you tell me what this could have to do when you have the issue when driving ?
Box replaced (and only that) and the issue disappeared.   
... for 10.000 km and comes back (or another one)
Then only thing done : replacing the still good battery by a better one, new.
And ... the issue is gone again.
What could be the battery impact on a diesel engine running Huh And when the alternator is delivering corrctly ?

Is that what you are thinking reliable ?

I'm living with this engine every day and I can tell you that at 200.000 Km, you just think about throwing it away. And this with the standard untuned power. I got before that a XUD 11 ATE and at 300.000 km, I was far from thinking the same
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« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2008, 10:50:34 pm »

Spyros, it seems you have good reason to rant over your diesel, but don't try to prove Waldo wrong. Any engine conversion is a big project and he deserves our support and encouragement.

- Anders
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« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2008, 11:45:43 pm »

I have to say, that I don't want to be bad to somebody - we are just discusing... But couldn't agree with You Anders in one point - not every project must be good. And in this case, good friends are those who tell you: "hey man, you are wasting time and money for nonsense, you better invest all the money to a second car - for ex.Fiesta 1,2 with low consumption and let your Matra for fun time Wink "
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« Reply #29 on: June 11, 2008, 12:07:43 am »

I disagree, Michal. You can make a friends' life miserable if you're the one telling him what he does wrong without actually helping him.
I can't spot the good discussion here.

You're a nice guy, but Waldo is far down the road already. Why try to change his mind now?
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