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Author Topic: Grand espace 2.0 16v automatic problem....  (Read 15106 times)
marko ucha
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« on: January 26, 2010, 07:03:12 am »

Hi, I am from Serbia, so do not learn english from me... Smiley  My espace has auto gearbox....code for this box is DPO 005. I went to my mehanic and change transmision oil, but there is the problem, because that car with this box is rear in our country and there is not data for it. please help.....how mach oil should I put in the box? We tried with 5 liters, but it when I drive in town, sometime I put it in D and it selects 3. gear and steys in it all the time. Then I have to stop and turn off engine....after 2 min. it is o.k......I is hepening when engine is warm. PLEASE HELP>>>>
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2010, 07:55:52 pm »

5 liters is probably too much, You should fill up with the amount drained + 0.5 liters (normally approx 4 liters -depending on the amount in the gearbox), then read gearbox oil temperature with diagnostic tool - when gearbox oil is ~ 60*c , open the smallest sump plug (inner plug - there is a levelling tube inside)
If no oil is coming out, add 0.5 liters and redo procedure.
If oil is flowing out, let it flow until it starts to drip (temp ~ 60*c) - then level is ok.

Reset auto adaptive memory + reset oil counter with diagnostic tool to tell it that it has new oil !
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marko ucha
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« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2010, 12:35:01 pm »

O.K. but  what abauth problem when I put it in D....? Why it selects 3. gear.....?
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2010, 01:08:39 pm »

Hi Marko, the oil was drained from my DP0-005 just last week, about 3 liters came out.
the total capicity of the transmission is 6 liters but only half of that will come out when you remove the drain plug.
If you have filled with 5 liters then you'll have 8 liters in there now.
 I'd reccomend not using the car untill it's drained down to the correct level, better safe than sorry. The problem you describe could be due to too much oil/ incorrect oil pressure now.

when the engine is warm, take out the level plug ( the smallest one ) with the engine idling. At normal engine temperatures the transmission oil will be about the correct temperature.

if you need to add oil you can just pump it thru a tube up the drain tube/ level plug hole if your garage has the right equipment. I guess you know the reccomended oil is Elf Reanultmatic D3 syn.

good luck



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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2010, 01:19:10 pm »

the oil is D3 and I removed level plug, and have done it write, but the still the same..... and it happens when I try to park, I mean D, R, N, D, R..... and it started to do that since temperatures are under 0....... I don not now.... Can it be a problem with gearbox ECU?
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2010, 06:42:05 pm »

O.K. but  what abauth problem when I put it in D....? Why it selects 3. gear.....?

3'rd gear is "safe mode" to make sure you can drive to the nearest worshop when a problem occurs with the transmission.

Try to take off and on the connector to the transmission computer - then check wiring - but ofcourse the best approach is to read out faultcodes.

There is also a potmeter-switch (gear selector switch) that perhaps needs to be calibrated.
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2000 Grand Espace V6 24v Initiale: http://www.renaultbiler.no/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2529
2000 Scenic RXi 2.0 16v IDE aut DP0: http://www.renaultbiler.no/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3751
1982 R20TX 2.2
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2010, 10:04:20 am »

Does this box have filter...?
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2010, 11:00:35 am »

Yes - but it is not accessable as far as i know and is supposed to live "forever" like the oil Roll Eyes
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2000 Grand Espace V6 24v Initiale: http://www.renaultbiler.no/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2529
2000 Scenic RXi 2.0 16v IDE aut DP0: http://www.renaultbiler.no/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3751
1982 R20TX 2.2
Service Online: www.servicehefte.net/servdata/?cid=qqkX
marko ucha
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2010, 12:07:28 pm »

xaxaxaaa..... Cheesy   that is stupid.....
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marko ucha
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2010, 12:11:32 pm »

nothing is FOREVER..... ZF says for their boxes the same..... I think you have 4HP20..... am I write...? And your filter is easy to reach.... I think......
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jack daniels
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2010, 07:59:00 pm »

hei Marko, in response to your PM, I haven't had any trouble with the trans in my espace which has 86000km on the clock now.
I guess as long as you change the oil occasionally, say every 2 years at least, and don't tow anything with the car it should be trouble free. It has very smooth gear shifts.
there are some documents available with some detail of the trans.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6338026/AL4-Transmission   (this is the citroen version of the same unit)
http://www.matrasport.dk/Cars/Espace/vault/JE/3219A_JE_F4R.pdf

the filters are visable under the oil pump and in the valve block
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2010, 10:19:35 pm »

nothing is FOREVER..... ZF says for their boxes the same..... I think you have 4HP20..... am I write...? And your filter is easy to reach.... I think......

the 4HP20 oil filter is inside the gearbox aswell, only way to change is by splitting the gearbox. Easier on the DP0 box.

You have a fault on the box, it could be wiring problem, valve problem, oil problem or sensor problem. It takes knowledge to get it right, but its a good gearbox if maintained correctly. I have a Scenic with 225.000km and 2.0 16v (F4R) on DP0 - working just fine. Flushed 4 times with D3 synt oil this summer due to hard gearchanges, after that it have been shifting nice and smooth even in -20*c and cold gearbox.
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2000 Grand Espace V6 24v Initiale: http://www.renaultbiler.no/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2529
2000 Scenic RXi 2.0 16v IDE aut DP0: http://www.renaultbiler.no/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3751
1982 R20TX 2.2
Service Online: www.servicehefte.net/servdata/?cid=qqkX
marko ucha
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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2010, 11:49:20 pm »

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.....  Grin my box is now o.k.......it works just fine..... data and advises you gave helped me a lot. I am teacher in high school, but now, with some tools, I can be SPECIALIST for DPO in my country....... Thank you one more time...!  Wink   
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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2010, 09:26:54 pm »

What was the problem ?
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2000 Grand Espace V6 24v Initiale: http://www.renaultbiler.no/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2529
2000 Scenic RXi 2.0 16v IDE aut DP0: http://www.renaultbiler.no/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3751
1982 R20TX 2.2
Service Online: www.servicehefte.net/servdata/?cid=qqkX
marko ucha
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2010, 10:35:49 pm »

At first to much oil.....  Grin and after leveling it write..... it needed 2-3 days to start working normally.... I think that extra oil coses same faults in ECU, now all is write and sensors give god informations.... and I saw a leak near flayweal from box.... It start to put it out....but now it is O.K. no damage! Thank you one more time.... I can't survive to take out auto and put manual box.I like my DPO 005 to much  Wink Is their something more on what I should pay attention?
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