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« Reply #60 on: July 12, 2010, 11:46:12 am »

Contact Anders.
He has them in 2 sizes.
They look stunning on the wheels.
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« Reply #61 on: July 12, 2010, 11:50:38 am »

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Just back from my daughters wedding in USA. What a great trip.
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You were on the right place to import som Michelin pilot sport tires Wink
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« Reply #62 on: July 12, 2010, 02:47:05 pm »

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Just back from my daughters wedding in USA. What a great trip.
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You were on the right place to import som Michelin pilot sport tires Wink
Yes, but I had too many gadgets in my suitcase as it were. The bastards only allow 1 suitcase and max 22 Kg. I would have had to buy 3 extra suitcases to fit a set. Cheesy

While there I talked to a guy who know a company that will copy any wheel and size it up to the diameter of your choise. He will send me the link and I will check it out.

Wile in the Us I also saw the latest craze, one that may interest some of you radical Murena owners.

Check out the 30" wheels on this Caddy (ups! now the right size picture)
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« Reply #63 on: July 12, 2010, 04:52:29 pm »

Thanks Anders

You are very welcome! They look good, both the rims and the badges!
 
Where did you get the wheel badges? Are they stick-on. I would like to get a set.

Yes, they are stick on. They are domed, so they work best on rims that have centre hub covers (usually plastic). You fit them by removing the rim manufacturers own badge, cleaning the surface, and stick on the "Le Coq" badge.

See: http://www.matrasport.dk/forum/index.php/topic,47.0.html
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« Reply #64 on: July 12, 2010, 07:06:46 pm »

Check out the 30" wheels on this Caddy (ups! now the right size picture)

Oh no!! Grin
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« Reply #65 on: July 21, 2010, 10:49:36 am »

Well, I did take the gamble and decided not to restore my 15" Stilauto alloys and replace the 12-year old Pirelli P5000's on them. Instead I dusted off the stack of original 14" alloys which were sitting in my shack for years and had them restored (sandblasted and powder coated), ordered a set of Uniroyal Rallye 550 185/55HR14 front 195/60HR14 rear and had them put on the car. They look brilliant:



The profile is also nice:



Total cost: 680 Euro. I more or less traded in the Stilauto's for 1 original alloy I was missing (I only had 4), so if anyone desperately needs 15" alloys for a Murena, contact Laszlo (Carjoy.nl) Wink

This is the looks of the car now. I am very happy with it, because the original alloys really match the car. The Stilauto's were too "clean", too flat.



The good news: handling is better than before. I have no "wobbly" feel in the steering anymore, which was present with the old dry Pirelli's. I did not try to reach a limit, though, the car is only on basic insurance now (only 55 Euro/year!) and I don't want to push my luck Smiley Last time I was unlucky, I painted a piece of German "Leitplanke" in red and lost my right hand side door mirror. That was covered by insurance, but if the guiding rail wasn't there, I probably would have tested the structural integrity of the Murena for side impact to trees or worse.

The bad news: Uniroyal Rallye 550 has gone out of production. I think I have bought some out of the last batches. Newer "sporty" models do not sell in 14". So the problem still exists, but at least I'm good for the next 10 years.
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« Reply #66 on: July 21, 2010, 05:25:47 pm »

Man, your car looks NICE! I plan on putting such a nice shine on mine one of these days. But other things have a higher priority right now.

I looked for those Uniroyal, but could not get them in the right sizes. As you found out, they are out of production in 14".

After I got my Continental, PremiumContact2, I discovered that they make the 195's in a "V" rated tire. I may swap the rear tires to see if the rear end will be sufficiently stable.
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« Reply #67 on: July 22, 2010, 11:12:38 pm »

Man, your car looks NICE! I plan on putting such a nice shine on mine one of these days. But other things have a higher priority right now.
Heheheh, that's summer evening sun light, not really shine. Cheesy The paint job is from 2002, but the car rarely sees sun light when not in use (it's under a cover), that keeps the paint fresh.
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I looked for those Uniroyal, but could not get them in the right sizes. As you found out, they are out of production in 14".
Delticom still stocked them two weeks ago, I got them delivered on July 12. So if you really need them, order now. They're pretty cheap (around 250 Euro for all four) and delivery is free to your doorstep anywhere in Europe.
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After I got my Continental, PremiumContact2, I discovered that they make the 195's in a "V" rated tire. I may swap the rear tires to see if the rear end will be sufficiently stable.
Conti PremiumContact2 are tires for supermini cars, they're fitted on my mum's new Ford Ka. If you really want to go for "V"-rated tires, Michelin Energy E3A would be my best bet.
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« Reply #68 on: July 22, 2010, 11:51:35 pm »

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Michelin Energy E3A would be my best bet.
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I had them on the front, and do OK, but they don't compare with the old type prehistoric Michelins.
The E3A has not as much grip.
That is the reason I didn't mount them at the back, however it would be best option if you can't find anything else.
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« Reply #69 on: March 12, 2011, 11:22:26 am »

I placed Conti's 195x45x15 sportcontact on the front now.
The car came down on the front 3 cm compared with the 195x55x15 Michelins.

Visual it looks not bad.
It looks a little more wedge again.


Adjusted new shocks 4 clicks higher.
The steering has a better feel.
The quest for better roadhandling goes on.
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« Reply #70 on: March 12, 2011, 04:08:45 pm »

Well, I did take the gamble and decided not to restore my 15" Stilauto alloys and replace the 12-year old Pirelli P5000's on them. Instead I dusted off the stack of original 14" alloys which were sitting in my shack for years and had them restored (sandblasted and powder coated), ordered a set of Uniroyal Rallye 550 185/55HR14 front 195/60HR14 rear and had them put on the car. They look brilliant:
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Hi brinkie.
What is your experience with those Uniroyals after 6 mos. of driving on them?
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« Reply #71 on: March 12, 2011, 04:19:32 pm »

I placed Conti's 195x45x15 sportcontact on the front now.
The car came down on the front 3 cm compared with the 195x55x15 Michelins.


Remember that now you will be going 103 km/h when the spedometer shows 100 vs. 97 km/h with the 195X55R15's.
This is compare to when the original 185X60R14's show 100 km/h

Here is a link where you can calculate the change in speed between tire sizes.
http://www.toyotaextreme.dk/daekregn.asp
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« Reply #72 on: March 12, 2011, 04:46:33 pm »

Thats perfect for me, around 4% less.
My speedo was exact on the original tires and I always drive 10% above the limit.
That resulted in a few speedtickets (around Ç30.-)
now 100 km will be 104 on the speedo.
perfect.

Speedometer-visning
F°r     50 km/t        80 km/t   100 km/t      120 km/t      150 km/t
Efter   51.9 km/t     83 km/t   103.8 km/t   124.6 km/t   155.7 km/t
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« Reply #73 on: March 16, 2011, 02:59:58 pm »

Hi brinkie.
What is your experience with those Uniroyals after 6 mos. of driving on them?
Since the car has been in storage the past 4 months, I really can't tell about 6 months of driving them! Wink

I think the wall compound is too soft (speed rating H), the handling could be better. But it looks good for originality.

Too bad the Uniroyal RainSport 2 and comparable V-rated tires from other manufacturers are only available from 15" sizes (though correct for the Murena: 195/50VR15 and 205/50VR15), so it might somehow be a good idea to keep 14" rims for originality (e.g. oldtimer shows) and 15" rims for daily/sporty driving.
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« Reply #74 on: March 16, 2011, 09:34:01 pm »


The bad news: Uniroyal Rallye 550 has gone out of production. I think I have bought some out of the last batches. Newer "sporty" models do not sell in 14". So the problem still exists, but at least I'm good for the next 10 years.


Although the '550' is now out of production it has been replaced by the Uniroyal 'Rain Expert' which is also available in 185/55 x 14 HR for the front and 195/60 x 14 HR for the rear of the Murena and these are directional tyres too.  The tread pattern does not look as good (IMO) but that doesn't mean to say it is any worse!  Since Uniroyal are owned by Continental I believe, they should be a good quality too.  Alternatives might be Nexen 2000 or Federal tyres which have sporty tyres in these sizes, although I have no personal experience of either.  Nexen are said to be pretty good...

So there are still suitable size tyres if you wish to keep the Murena on original wheels.  Some of these are much cheaper than makes like Michelin, Pirelli, Goodyear, etc. as well, and I don't think these major 'European' brands are worth as much as twice the price. (yes I realise Goodyear is American but the European sizes are generally made in Europe)  At one time Japanese brands like Yokohama and Bridgestone were not considered in the same league as the likes of Michelin, Pirelli etc. but look at them now.

Roy
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