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« Reply #31 on: March 29, 2009, 09:50:01 pm » |
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Awesome!! we need more of these stories on the site !  .. (well.. if michael will let us  ) I'm not a judge and everybody has his own responsibility. This night i had a dream - i was driving something like MS670 on the circuit. so today, i browsed through a lot of pictures of Matra race cars and have seen pictures from Mortefontaine in 1997. Behind the MS120 there is a group of Murenas - all of them are in the original condition. It really looks like Matra meeting. When there will be more and more conversions, tunings and other ways of making "anything else" but not nice Murena, than one day the Matra meeting will be anything else but not Matra meeting. I don't mind about your converted cars, but still couldn't understand why you are doing this just to a Matra? When i sold my silver 2,2 for cca 5000,-Eur 3 years ago, i was thinking what else to buy? I decided again for Murena, simply because i love the car, the history of Matra and its spirit, which is in this car. If you don't like a Murena, if you don't care about the real feeling of driving the product of all Matra engineers, than i understand it... I can see I have stirred a hornets nest here! All I can say is.............. IF replacement cylinderheads and various other parts were still readily available at sensible money I would have kept my lovely car original but sadly thats not the case, so.................. |
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michaltalbot
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« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2009, 08:31:17 am » |
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At the end of the day the 2.2 is (and was) an ancient engine forced on Matra against their wishes.
I don't agree with this, because I have some historic materials, that Matra ingeneers first wanted this Chrysler engine into a M530, there are pictures when they fitted the 1,8 engine instead of V4 Ford. But because it must have been placed longitudialy, there were no place arround and also it was too heavy. But in Murena, where is a lot of place and engine was placed transversely it was a simple choice. And in 1980 its power, grip and top speed was far better than at concurents. I think that some of these conversioners and tunners wants to have a modern sport car, some of them are making a Ferrari from Murena or wants to drive a Murena like "Impreza WRX", and it's a nonsense - Murena is 30 years old classic car! Simply explanation is, that they want to have something different for what they don't have money - and that's vexatious  |
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michaltalbot
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« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2009, 04:46:41 pm » |
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Sorry Michael but I think you are really off the mark here! I am very sure that the majority of owners including me, would like to keep their cars original but it simply isnt possible or in many cases practical at sensible cost. If we all had many thousands of spare cash we could all have perfect cars - this is not true life for most of us! We love the cars and want to keep them on the road so have to do what we need to do to achieve that. Sure, in my case I have chosen a more modern engine but the overall cost of the conversion was more than my car is actually worth in the UK! I could have bought another Murena with the cost of the conversion but what to do with the first one?? Surely even you have to agree it is better to keep the car on the road than scrap it?
Everything is possible (there is still a lot of Tagora engines for very low price) but using a modern engine in the old sports car is the same like destruction of it, it's not a Matra anymore, it's not a new car, so what is it? You are right - your car has now very low value, because it is an old car, but not an original piece, so what to do with it? |
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michaltalbot
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« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2009, 09:28:40 pm » |
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Where is the problem with 2,2 engine? I bought my Murena with totally damaged engine, one piston was missing, there was a hole in one cylinder, etc. If you have the cyl.block than you can make new unit very easily - cyl.head? Is sometimes on e-bay (for 150 - 300,-E) or you can buy one from Peugeot 2,2 TI. Camshaft? I sent it to Belgium for renovation and they sent me renovated piece back for 200,-E. Pistons - very often on e-bay for 90,-E. Crankshaft - renovation is possible, bearings also aren't problem. There is sometimes to sell a Tagora 2,2 for less than 500,-E on e-bay, or leboncoin.fr or anciennes.net or simcannonces or ... at this times when world is too small because of the internet, when is possible to make everything, is unbelievable that somebody can say "it's not possible"... When you're using good oil (Simca aime Shell ) and if you don't have problem with cooling, than this engine is very reliable and able to make 500.000km with no problem (as my Tagora GLS did, only timing chain and valve seals had to be changed in cca 200.000km). I don't have Murena for its value, because I won't sell it - never! I have it for that special feeling when I'm driving it - on the circuit or for daily driving on summer, or on the way for 1000km to Matra meetings in Germany or France... |
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« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2009, 10:32:21 pm » |
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The steering wheel and gearstick I changed the first day I had the car. In driving with the old stuff, it made me think at the rubber stuff used in SM cellars  The ferrarie hood has one big advantage. No more steamy windows, and no window heater needed in winter. In time I will get rid of all nags the car has, therefore some original things has to go. I want this car to drive the way I want it. Don't get me wrong, at first site it wil always be a murena. |
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I feel like Jonah, only my fish looks different.
Murena 2.2 Red 1982. Murena 1.6 black on places.
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