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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2013, 11:43:54 pm »

Hollandia/Webasto 100 fits.
Look pics here, and no probems with leaking sofar.

http://www.matramania.be/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1526

I have somewhere a pic for 300 but have to look.
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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2013, 12:09:26 am »

Searching..........found Tongue
This is a Hollandia 300 (old version)
Outside it doesn't look bad.



The problem is the inside.
The front inside is not flat, and the sun-visors do not fit in the space anymore.
Hollandia 100

Hollandia 300

Blue Murena with Hollandia 300 pics, Godfried Matramania Belgium.

Also the light has to make place and move to te back of the roof.
I don't know if they are available in other sizes that make a better fit.

Greets Herman
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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2013, 09:03:29 am »

THANKS!  Grin


I do have this old sunroof, its ugly, its not original.... On these pictures I think the Hollandia 300 look really nice on the car!

I have been thinking of two posibilitys.

1. Buy a Hollandia 300 and build in.
or
2. Remove old sunroof, make a repair with fiberglass/polyester and remove the complete hole and make roof like original...

Have some of you, or anyone you know, done the remove job?.

Once more, I am very thankful for your answears and help!

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« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2013, 09:27:36 am »

A former club member did, but placed a new roof.
I saved the cut outs to sell with the car when hobby ends.
Not everyone is charmed of this sunroofs.
I think it is very 80s and suits the car nicely.
Also it can be hot in the Murena during summertime becaus of bad ventilation system.
It is nice to take the roof out and that is very simple with the Hollandia 100

Regards Herman
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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2013, 11:39:46 am »

For closing the roof:
1: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Talbot-Matra-Murena-Dachhimmel-Aussen-/190780654977?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item2c6b69c581
2: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Talbot-Matra-Murena-Dachhimmel-Velur-schwarz-Murena-S-84-/190780659059?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item2c6b69d573
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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2013, 02:07:29 pm »

Thanks to you all!
 Smiley

I`ll check this out!

About heat inside the cabin, I can understand that maybe Its best to have he hole in the roof.... But are the hole in my roof the same as the new Hollandia 100? Does any of you with Hollandia 100, have the cut out hole in mm, and also radius of the corners?

Thanks
Fred


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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2013, 08:45:53 pm »

I have the Webasto Skytop 101 and that is the same as Hollandia 100.
Best is to mount it as far as possible to the back as seen in my pics.
The front of the roof is more round so stress can make it leak.
This are the sizes of the cut out, but I don't know if it is a standard size.

Regards Herman




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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2013, 04:16:59 pm »

Hi!

Thanks, Ill check with the Hollandia dealer about delivery of new roof tomorrow.

Another thing...
Engine oil on 2,2.
On all my old alfa cars I have been using Castrol Racing 10w-60 or Agip Racing 10w-60. Can these be used on the 2,2S too.... Or is there some other oil thats better?

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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2013, 08:46:25 pm »

It's an old car so cheap 15W40 mineral should be fine but I refresh every year or 5000 mile.
I dont use full synthetic bacause I don't know what is do with the seals but I hear that some have no problem with it.

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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2013, 07:00:21 am »

It's an old car so cheap 15W40 mineral should be fine but I refresh every year or 5000 mile.
I dont use full synthetic bacause I don't know what is do with the seals but I hear that some have no problem with it.

I strongly disagree here. Cheap oil leaves residue in the engine. Replacing it very frequently helps, but it's not worth it. I run Castrol 10w60 and replace it every year.
Seals will not have problems with this.

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« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2013, 08:42:23 am »

Nice point for discussion.
I also disagree that the Castrol leaves no residu.
It is more the way older engines work with fuel that residu is left behind.
Put a Murena on LPG and almost no residu is found after a bunch of miles.
Why take a risk with full synthetic if you are not sure?
I know for some older type seals and rubber can't handle full synthetic, and desintegrate after a while.
Don't do this for example on a old Suzuki.
The seal on the fuel pump desintegrate and you loose all oil.
Of course it is also a personal matter of choice and SAE grade varie a bit with climate  , but the engines in our cars are developed for mineral oil, and I see no reason why not to use it.
Also the mineral oil is so much better then 30 years ago.
Keep it fresh and clean by changing it on time and it will be fine.

Regards Herman.
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« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2013, 10:11:51 pm »

I cannot recommend enough Millers Motor Oil CSS 20w50 semi-synthetic engine oil for older engines.

http://www.millersoils.co.uk/automotive/tds-automotive.asp?prodsegmentID=269&sector=Motorsport#

An extra high performance engine oil based on highest quality performance additives and shear stable viscosity improvers in synthetic and mineral base.

I do not change the oil every year as I do not do that much mileage, but I do extemely abuse the 2.2 engine and never had any problems.

I once even had a set of inlet rocker arms (no oilway hole) fitted for exhaust rocker arms (should have an oilway hole) by mistake and had no problems.

GP
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« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2013, 08:12:04 am »

This is an old and well renowned web site on engine oil: http://www.carbibles.com/engineoil_bible.html

Engine oil goes black over time and with use and I find it very likely that this does not happen with GPL (I don't have any experience with GPL fuelled cars). However, the black stuff in the oil is NOT residue - or sludge, as it's called on the web page above. An important difference between mineral and synthetic oils is that the latter will not produce sludge.

My Murena 2.2 engine has been running solely but fully synthetic oil now for about 15 years since being rebuilt by Roy. It is not suffering from any leaks - apart from what you'd expect from a french engine design from the 1960's.

/Anders
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« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2013, 08:40:04 am »

GPL is named LPG in the Netherlands so no spelling mistake this time Roll Eyes
I drove more then 700.000 miles on LPG/GPL in 5 different cars and you would be suprised how clean mineral oil is after 10.000 miles.
It looks like it was just done recently.
Of course the normal metal particles of the engine are there, so refreshing in time is still needed, but if you drain the oil it looks like new.
It is logical that Graham uses High performance semi synthetic because he ask performance from the car.
But why doesn't Miller make full synthetic for older cars?
Exactly...., for the reasons I spoke about above.
I concern full synthetic as a risk.
Then go for the semi synthetic like Graham if you want that.
I see no need in a normal used car.

Regards Herman
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« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2013, 07:58:44 pm »

Have a rear brake calipper that is not too good.

Have newer been working on these. How to get pads out without destroying anything? Smiley
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