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TELBOY
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« Reply #270 on: April 09, 2020, 03:23:34 pm »

No wonder It needed bleeding!!! now just got to find out what car it belongs to as every 1.9 pug engine I've looked at has a cable clutch!!!
And thanks JL, Lights sorted it was indeed an earth fault Smiley
 
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« Reply #271 on: April 10, 2020, 06:28:30 pm »

So after hrs of searching i think i have identified it as a Delphi LL2115. On the listing it interestingly lists applications as Horizon , Matra Rancho and Murena 1.6! Quite how you mount it in a standard Murena I dont know. I have ordered one so here's hoping. It should be correct as the horizon I discovered uses the same gearbox I have being  a BE1 XU30 with a hydraulic clutch rather than cable or concentric slave cylinder and a bore 25.4mm. Fingers crossed.


Talbot Horizon -- [1978-1986] Hatchback 1.1 (1118ccm 58HP 43KW Petrol)
Engine Code: 2E1A
Talbot Horizon -- [1978-1986] Hatchback 1.3 (1294ccm 54HP 40KW Petrol)
Engine Code: 2G1-BTC | Manufactured Before: 12/ 1985
Talbot Horizon -- [1978-1986] Hatchback 1.3 (1294ccm 58HP 43KW Petrol)
Engine Code: 2G1-BTC
Talbot Horizon -- [1978-1986] Hatchback 1.3 (1294ccm 64HP 47KW Petrol)
Talbot Horizon -- [1978-1986] Hatchback 1.3 (1294ccm 68HP 50KW Petrol)
Engine Code: 2G1
Talbot Horizon -- [1978-1986] Hatchback 1.4 (1424ccm 65HP 48KW Petrol)
Engine Code: 2Y1B
Talbot Horizon -- [1978-1986] Hatchback 1.4 (1424ccm 83HP 61KW Petrol)
Engine Code: 2Y2,Y2 | Manufactured Before: 12/ 1985
Talbot Horizon -- [1978-1986] Hatchback 1.4 (1442ccm 69HP 51KW Petrol)
Engine Code: 2Y1 | Manufactured Before: 12/ 1985
Talbot Murena -- [1980-1985] Coupe 1.6 (1577ccm 90HP 66KW Petrol)
Engine Code: X5J2A | Manufactured Before: 12/ 1983
Talbot Rancho -- [1977-1984] SUV 1.4 (1442ccm 80HP 59KW Petrol)
Engine Code: X3Y2 | Manufactured After: 1/ 1978

Talbot Simca 1100 -- [1968-1980] Estate 1.1 (1118ccm 50HP 37KW Petrol)
Engine Code: E1/BTC | Manufactured Before: 12/ 1979
Talbot Simca 1100 -- [1968-1980] Estate 1.1 (1118ccm 60HP 44KW Petrol)
Engine Code: 3E1A
Talbot Simca 1100 -- [1968-1980] Hatchback 1.1 LE,LX,GLS,ES (1118ccm 50HP 37KW Petrol)
Engine Code: 30 | Manufactured Before: 12/ 1979
Talbot Simca 1100 -- [1968-1980] Hatchback 1.1 LE,LX,GLS,ES (1118ccm 58HP 43KW Petrol)
Engine Code: 3E1A | Manufactured Before: 12/ 1979
Talbot Simca 1100 -- [1968-1980] Hatchback 1.1 LS,GLS (1118ccm 54HP 40KW Petrol)
Engine Code: E1/BTC | Manufactured After: 1/ 1976
Talbot Solara -- [1980-1986] Saloon 1.3 (1294ccm 54HP 40KW Petrol)
Engine Code: 6G1D/VP
Talbot Solara -- [1980-1986] Saloon 1.6 (1577ccm 88HP 65KW Petrol)
Engine Code: 6J2,J1,J2
Talbot Solara -- [1980-1986] Saloon 1.6 (1592ccm 69HP 51KW Petrol)
Engine Code: J1B
Talbot Solara -- [1980-1986] Saloon 1.6 (1592ccm 73HP 54KW Petrol)
Engine Code: 6J1
Talbot Solara -- [1980-1986] Saloon 1.6 (1592ccm 90HP 66KW Petrol)
Engine Code: J1B

 
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« Reply #272 on: April 14, 2020, 01:33:25 am »

So after hrs of searching i think i have identified it as a Delphi LL2115. On the listing it interestingly lists applications as Horizon , Matra Rancho and Murena 1.6! Quite how you mount it in a standard Murena I dont know...

The clutch slave cylinder on a Horizon, Bagheera, Murena 1.6, or any of the models using those 4-speed original gearboxes and the 5-speed version of them, is bolted near the top of the bell housing with two short bolts.

This is quite different to a Murena 2.2 where its bell housing has a cast 'hole' near the bottom, and its clutch slave cylinder simply slides into that casting and is secured by a large circlip where it sticks out the other side of the casting.


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I have ordered one so here's hoping. It should be correct as the horizon I discovered uses the same gearbox I have being  a BE1 XU30 with a hydraulic clutch rather than cable or concentric slave cylinder and a bore 25.4mm. Fingers crossed.

I don't know the bell housing for your BE1 XU30, but if it doesn't have the two shoulders and tapped holes for the original Murena slave cylinder, then you will have to use the one designed for it.  However, from your photos, the slave cylinder looks correct, but the attachment of the pipe from the master cylinder is all wrong!  You should have a plastic pipe with a metal supporting sleeve in the end, and that fits directly into the slave cylinder with a flare 12mm nut.

Your photo shows a banjo and banjo bolt in the slave cylinder, with a section of rubber hose and four worm clips fitted, which suggests the original plastic pipe end has been changed.  That is your real fault.

Roy
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« Reply #273 on: April 14, 2020, 10:46:22 am »

Morning Roy,
As you may remember from last year I was convinced all my problems were the master cylinder which I replaced and eventually managed to bleed. The clutch all seemed good but was back on the floor again! after inspection it became clear why by the sorry state of the slave cylinder. I presumed that the 1.6 slave cylinder was also held on by a circlip, (again I should have checked)
Not having an original engine is becoming a bit of a pain as I have now moved onto this area. I "believe" after spending literally hrs online That I have an XU92C 1.9l engine as it has a single twin choke carb, This engine is listed at (depending where you look) 104 - 108bhp! which makes me wonder if the effort was worth it. The 32/34 dtrc carb is listed from a 1.6 citreon BX, trying to find a choke assembly is shall we say difficult! The gearbox,XU30, is listed from a Citreon Berlingo 1.9l diesel and Horizon 1.9 Diesel! Obviously they must have been fitted elsewhere but as yet that's all I can find, but it is the gear ratios I am most concerned about, being diesels they rev very low!.
The gearbox does indeed have the slave cylinder bolted to the bell housing and the plastic pipe was pushed into a rubber pipe fitted to the banjo and then secured by using the 4 jubilee clips to form a seal.
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« Reply #274 on: April 18, 2020, 07:10:15 pm »

As I am still waiting for my clutch slave cylinder to arrive I thought I would press on with the door cards. Taking a lot longer than I anticipated and not quite finished!
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« Reply #275 on: April 20, 2020, 01:18:52 pm »

The clutch slave cylinder arrived and is the correct one complete with the little rubber seal and washer. Problem is As the original plastic pipe from the master cylinder had been hacked about it no longer reaches and I dont have the correct nut to mate it to the cylinder anyway. Simons appears to be out of stock of this pipe! I have found that the plastic type of pipe was fitted to MG's Fords and others but not in the required length so I must be able to get them somewhere. Has anyone got any ideas?
For anyone interested its a Delphi LL21115 and cost £23 from ebay (not LL2115 as I earlier listed). Again I checked Simons prices and it is out of stock so cant check his prices.
Finished the first door card. I decided not to do the piece around the electric window switch. It has come up very well, it is straight its just the shadows making it look odd.
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« Reply #276 on: April 21, 2020, 05:28:47 pm »

A bit of a long shot but I wonder if these guys can make something to help you?

https://www.northwestclassic.co.uk/

Regards
John
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« Reply #277 on: April 21, 2020, 07:10:33 pm »

The tube is a standard 8mm OD plastic tube.  I bought a length off the roll from Walkers Rubber & Plastic in Ipswich.  The nut may present a bit more of a problem, but you could try Past Parts of Bury St. Edminds.
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« Reply #278 on: April 21, 2020, 07:32:54 pm »

Thanks for the lead gents. Ordered a 5m length in yellow. They did t have white but only a tenner. Now for the bolt to the slave cylinder.  Grin
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« Reply #279 on: April 21, 2020, 08:33:23 pm »

The tube is a standard 8mm OD plastic tube.  I bought a length off the roll from Walkers Rubber & Plastic in Ipswich.  The nut may present a bit more of a problem, but you could try Past Parts of Bury St. Edminds.

Just cancelled my order. Surely it cant be 8mm ?
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« Reply #280 on: April 21, 2020, 09:07:21 pm »

I have a 2.2S with original nylon pipe and that pipe is 7mm O/d.
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« Reply #281 on: April 21, 2020, 09:16:57 pm »

Think your right just stuck a vernier on mine. Nice one.
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« Reply #282 on: April 21, 2020, 09:31:46 pm »

See this link for how it should be
http://www.matrasport.dk/forum/index.php/topic,2918.msg22179.html#msg22179
(This is how 2.2 is set up so assuming 1.6 was the same)
if you are using a nylon tube the metal insert is improtant to stop the tube being squashed.
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« Reply #283 on: April 21, 2020, 11:26:39 pm »

Wouldn't it be easier to make up a normal metal brake pipe with a short flexible hose at the rear by the engine?  I would think that the threads in the master cylinder and the slave cylinder would be the same as in the braking system?
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« Reply #284 on: April 22, 2020, 06:03:14 pm »

Wouldn't it be easier to make up a normal metal brake pipe with a short flexible hose at the rear by the engine?  I would think that the threads in the master cylinder and the slave cylinder would be the same as in the braking system?

I had thought about that but a problem appears to be the engine rocking on the mounts (could) eventually lead to the pipe fracturing. I think this may be why Matra went with a flexible "tube"
I think I can get the pipe inserts easily enough, they appear pretty common and they have loads of types on fleabay. As for the size it could be 7mm or it could be 8mm!!! I measured it in different places and got differing sizes!(could just be my old eyes). As for the securing nut to the slave, again you could be correct, however as most places are doing "bang up" Its not easy to find somewhere open where I could take the slave cylinder and say "what size?"
I suppose I could see it the master cylinder thread is the same but again I would still need to know the size!
On a positive note got my tyres for the wheels fitted Smiley
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