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 61 
 on: October 27, 2017, 05:34:04 pm 
Started by roy4matra - Last post by roy4matra
Looks nice Roy. If I wasn't selling mine I would defenitely get one.
Just one comment. Couldn't they write MATRA and MURENA instead of TALBOT etc. on top?
What about the ventpipe on the original? How is that handled?
Regards. Jon.

Hello Jon,

Thanks for your comments.  As I explained in the posting, the castings were made long before Matra came into this.  The cover was made originally for this engine when it was a racing version of the Simca 180/2-litre and if we now wish to change the lettering, that would mean altering or making new casts, which would increase the costs.  At this time I wish to see just how much genuine interest there may be at this price point.  If we had at least five people seriously interested and ready to pay the current price, then I would go back to Marcel and ask what would be the price if we wished to have some different lettering on the cover; but for now they would be using the existing casts which keeps the costs down.

However, the word 'Talbot', it is in fact correct anyway.  The engine was made by Simca which in 1979 was renamed Talbot, and the Murena was sold as a Talbot-Matra Murena, and Talbot is therefore authentic.  This happened in the seventies with some Bagheera owners removing the Simca part of the name, but now as a rare car originality counts, and owners have been going back to having Matra-Simca on their Bagheera.

We should be proud of what Simca and Talbot allowed Matra to achieve.  If not for them, we would not have had the fabulous and still unmatched Murena!

With regard to the crankcase ventilation, I knew this one would need modifying as it does not have any at this time, (it wasn't intended for a road car engine) but it will be easy for me to do the modification myself.  If we have some more made the cost stated would include a vent hose connection.

Roy

 62 
 on: October 27, 2017, 05:07:18 pm 
Started by roy4matra - Last post by Jon Weywadt
Looks nice Roy. If I wasn't selling mine I would defenitely get one.
Just one comment. Couldn't they write MATRA and MURENA instead of TALBOT etc. on top?
What about the ventpipe on the original? How is that handled?
Regards. Jon.


 63 
 on: October 27, 2017, 04:50:52 pm 
Started by Jon Weywadt - Last post by Jon Weywadt
And a few more photos: Smiley

 64 
 on: October 27, 2017, 04:44:35 pm 
Started by roy4matra - Last post by roy4matra
Hello all,

As some of you will know, a few of us have had some brand new camshafts made by Piper, for the 2.2-litre engine.  Colin has had his engine up and running for a few months and it both goes well and sounds really good.  You may also know that he had a problem recently but since no other fault could be found, that appears to have been a faulty head gasket, and it has been replaced and the engine is running again.

I am in the process of building the second and assisting with the third of the engines that will have one of these Piper special cams.  For myself I have always wanted the engine to look a little more special and one obvious thing was to have an alloy cam cover in place of the modified Tagora tin plate cover.  I did not particularly like the look of the Politecnic one and it is not available now anyway.  However, I finally have an alloy cover which as I think you will agree from the photo looks good.


This was the last one from their stock, but they tell me they can get some more cast if there is sufficient demand.  They would require at least five and the run would be done early 2018 if I could give them the orders and deposits.  If we get orders for 5, then the cost would be 295 Euros each plus carriage cost (approx. 18 Euro - that was the cost for mine).  If the numbers could be as high as 10 then the price would be reduced accordingly.

So the question is: do any of you 2.2 Murena owners wish to have one of these ribbed alloy covers for your engine?

Please let me know, preferably by my domain name email as I don't get on the forum regularly, but you can message me here if you wish.  By all means let me know what you think of the cover even if you don't wish to buy one.  I know the lettering is 'Talbot Maurelec' and does not include Matra, but these were made by Maurelec when they were preparing these Simca racing engines with JRD and some years before the Murena was made and had one of these engines fitted.  I have placed a Matra Sport badge on the oil filler cap on mine.  And I consider having 'Maurelec' on the cover makes it a bit special anyway, being a little rare just like the cars!

Roy

 65 
 on: October 27, 2017, 04:40:32 pm 
Started by Jon Weywadt - Last post by Jon Weywadt
Here are some photos.  Sad

 66 
 on: October 26, 2017, 11:19:55 am 
Started by Jon Weywadt - Last post by Jon Weywadt
1981 Murena 2.2, 150.000 Km, Antique in Danish MOT. 35.000 Kr. as it drives. 50.000 Kr. if you want all the spare parts too.
Due to arthritis in my hands I can no longer do the work that I think should be done to the car. So rather than having it sitting there, reminding me of what I can no longer do, I will pass the project on to someone who will love it like I do.

I have concentrated on mechanical things and have done the following:
New stainless coolant and heating pipes, including those in the engine compartment and mounting straps.
New aluminium expansion tank.
Renovated water pump.
New thermostat.
Stainless gas tank straps.
Stainless stay and brackets for the bonnet.
Stainless fuse box chassis and lid.
Stainless sheets around and under the radiator.
Stainless hand brake cable.
Stainless brake hoses.
Dual exhaust stainless steel muffler.
Renovated rear brake calibers.
Renovated master brake cylinder, honed and new seals
New gaiters on the rack and pinion steering.
LED driving lights, and LED brake and backup lights.
New windscreen.
Renovated engine head.
Holbay 58C camshaft.
80 Amp generator.

I have numerous new parts:
Brand new unused “S” side skirts.
New timing chain.
New set of steering bolts, upper and lower, both sides.
New brown velour covered door surround seals.
New door seals, for over the window.
New inner/outer window seals.
New window guides.
New gaiters for door-to-chassis wires.
LED turn signal bulbs and turn-signal relay (requires some rewiring)
New modern style fuse panel, ready to be wired in.
New rubber seals to go between upper and lower part of front and rear fenders.
New rubber list for the top of the bumper.

I have numerous used, but good parts:
Injection manifold from Peugeot 505 turbo (fits this engine)
Good set of injectors
Associated air intake and airflow sensor parts
Mega Squirt motor control unit and cabling harness.
Fast acting Lambda probe and mounting fitting to weld on exhaust manifold.
Set of high-ratio fifth gear wheels.
Ferrari style rear hatch.
Extra set of seats (with better drivers side foam)
Extra brown steering wheel in better shape than current.

I am sure I have forgot something, but this is the main items worked and in stock.
I have the work-shop manual and a separate parts catalog.

 67 
 on: October 24, 2017, 12:03:59 pm 
Started by Johan Edström - Last post by MURENA VETERAN
 HELLO johan!
Jeg har 2 murena til salg.De er uden registrering har stået stille i ca,10 år

En er komplet--en er uden sæder+div.smådele (denne har jeg i øjeblikket en køber til gearkassen)


                      Venligst John.

 68 
 on: October 24, 2017, 10:30:15 am 
Started by MatraIan - Last post by SellingMatra
Hello,
also this very nice car:

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C876546

 69 
 on: October 24, 2017, 06:11:31 am 
Started by pezzer - Last post by pezzer
Thankyou everyone cleaned up all contacts now everything appears good.

 70 
 on: October 23, 2017, 10:30:51 pm 
Started by Lennart Sorth - Last post by Lennart Sorth
Dear all,

One of the things I love about the Murena is its size, - it is a very small car, - in fact so small that even its 15" wheels looks big !

By todays standards, weighing in just around the 1 tonne is also "light" and this shows in its reasonable fuel economy - given the engines available for its time.  Modern 1 liter engines sport the same power and almost twice the economy, so if Matra were to re-invent the Murena, they would have some great options.

Now, - Honda have a long history of making sporty and good looking cars - I know, because I had an S2000 and loved it to bits - and only sold it to keep the car-collection down, when I wanted to also get a more usable 4-seater. I have however regretted parting with the lovely S2000 ever since.

In 2015, Honda their next two-door, two-seater, rear-wheel drive, sporty “S” model – be it in the low-Japanese-tax bracket called “Kei-car”. The rules for this bracket limits the engine capacity to 660cc, max power is set to 64hp, and the overall length  must be less than 3.40 meters:




Despite these minute dimensions, Honda has come up with a true gem. Mid-engined, soft top, gorgeously sounding, perfectly balanced, and even economic.


Sadly, Honda has not (yet) announced any plans of bringing the S660 to Europe or US – there are rumours of a 1-litre version for the US market, which obviously would provide more power (rumours say 125hp), but in my view not quite true to the concept – but having now tried it, I would be perfectly happy with the original, true-to-the-concept 63hp.

The exterior design is reminiscent of the Civic, just smaller and lower – actually a LOT lower, which is evident at toll-road payment booths. You could even call it a miniature NSX, - and there is nothing wrong about looking like the NSX !

The side mirrors are styled like the civic, but “hot-rod” trimmed to be narrow slits, which looks fantastic, and still provides a full view of the road behind. Speaking of view, - there is a glass window all across behind the seats, through which it is fairly easy to see where you are going when reversing.




Now, I am tall – 1m94cm tall (6’ 5”) – which was my major concern when booking the car over the Internet, to try it out during my trip to Japan, and it is a tight fit – but the only small problem is that my hair touches the ceiling at the back of my head, as there is a panel covering the roll-bar. If I owned the car, I think I could make a “Gurney” dent in that panel. But with the right motivation, even my similarly sized friend and I managed to squeeze ourselves in – with out two rucksacks on the passengers lap – as there really is NO storage space – except for a little compartment out front, designed to take the folded up roof.


It seats – be it with some difficulty, and only JUST – two motivated 6’ 5” ‘ers :-)


 
The perky little 3-cylinder engine sounds a little rough in idle, but as soon as you are giving it a little food, it roars into life – very much like an air-cooled Porsche engine. (I may get into trouble here, but I have actually never liked the 911 engine at idle – but above 6000rpm it changes character).



Not the easiest access – but then, it is a Honda, so you shouldn’t need it much.



The S660 engine redlines at an impressive 7700rpm, and the turbo is proving much extra torque from 2600 onwards. I didn’t really feel any pronounced turbo-lag, but if accelerate and then lift off, the waste-gate “clears its throat”. I never thought I’d like a car with a waste-gate, but it really is a scintillating sound – especially in such a small car :-)

Honda has managed to make the 6-speed short-throw gear leaver in the S660 feel just as concise and wonderfully satisfying as in the S2000, where the leaver more or less went straight into the gearbox due to front-engine and rear wheel drive. This is great engineering indeed for a mid-engined car.

The brakes have a wonderfully purposeful feel to them – not the flimsy over-assisted ones you get in most cars today, - here you actually have to push the pedal, but the car stops brilliantly without any drama at all – no doubt helped by the specially developed 16” Yokohama Advan Neova tyres (165/55R15/ 195/45R16). It has an automatic hazard-light system, which I’m sure will be a bit annoying on a track, and as it feels so stable, one could often end up braking hard enough to set it off – even in traffic. Personally I’d love to be able to either adjust its sensitivity, or disable it altogether.





And I haven’t even come to the best of it! – the mid-mounted engine makes for a perfect 55/45 balance, and the steering is as precise as anything – despite it being electric. Whatever they have done, this is much MUCH better than most modern numb-feeling woolly electric power steering, which seems to have taken over the world. This feels as direct and  precise as my good old love-affair, the Matra Murena !

I took it up Mount Tsukuba at night (my only chance in the dry) and as it turned out, the road is fabulous, and completely abandoned that time of night – and with a GPS, you always know what turn is coming up, and I could do my best to try to unsettle it – without much success. No doubt partly due to its specially developed Yokohama tyres. It simply drives like on rails! - no understeer and very difficult to induce any oversteer thanks to the always-engaged traction and stability control.

The was a wonderful section where the road did a 360 degree corkscrew upwards, which was brilliant to push harder and harder – I did that a couple of times over, and despite eventually going almost unbelievably fast, I never felt any limit approaching. ROCK solid. The limit was only the fact that it was not my car, and I did not want any trouble.




I’d love to try it out on a track, - but this won’t work for a rental car (they make you sign a form prohibiting it) – but I have absolutely no doubt that it is a blast – Honda know their stuff. This is backed up by plenty of Japanese youtube videos.


During my rental - including all this testdriving I still averaged well over 60mpg(uk) - or 4.5 l/100km which is brilliant - the low weight helps here.


All in all an absolutely fantastic little car which didn’t stop putting a huge smile on my face whenever I drove it.


The only issue that persists is to get Honda to export it to Europe – PLEASE PLEASE ! - it is such a fabulous, economic, fun and sporty car that it is a crying shame that Europe and US are being deprived the experience.



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